# AB's "Not Sure" & "Average" & "huh?" thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Bikes\ **Created:** [July 2, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763 "2008-07-02T18:12:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 699
**Author:** ![goose\_value\_69](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/goose_value_69/32/169983_2.png) [@goose\_value\_69](https://tarck.cc/u/goose_value_69)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13964 "2018-05-21T17:37:11Z")
> [@puelnewdle](#): > > I’ve been looking at small front racks with crown mounts and adjustable lowers like the radlawn or the nitto mark’s rack, but both of those are spendy. Thought I had a pretty brilliant idea of using a blackburn local basket up front with the mounting bits turned so they’re facing down to get it lower. But then I saw that thing weighs many pounds. I was thinking of trying the same thing with the Blackburn. I was also looking at the specialized pizza rack. If the vertical height is tall enough I think the mounts could attach to the dropout eyelet and still clear the top of the tire. Mostly though I’m thinking about the dual stem thing (or bmx bars) with a Wald 1392 attached low on the steerer, or a 198 to flat bars. I’m trying to cap my additional investment in parts to the cost of the original purchase (ha). ---
**Author:** ![NOVELTYNAME](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@NOVELTYNAME](https://tarck.cc/u/NOVELTYNAME)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13965 "2018-05-21T17:40:50Z")
![](http://www.cyclorama.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/4636697451_4e4e5c7d9d_b.jpg) ![](http://www.betterlivingthroughdesign.com/wp-content/themes/bltd/lib/timthumb.php?src=http://www.betterlivingthroughdesign.com/images/Evo-handlebar-basket-black.jpg&h=&w=513&zc=1) ![](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/615fXjahSwL._SL1200_.jpg) ![](https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server2800/804sw/products/44380/images/350293/HDBR1050__13899.1403974486.320.320.jpg?c=2) ![](http://bkportugal.com/content/images/thumbs/0004446_guiador-cesto-origin-8.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![JUGE\_FREDD](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/juge_fredd/32/34623_2.png) [@JUGE\_FREDD](https://tarck.cc/u/JUGE_FREDD)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13966 "2018-05-21T17:40:58Z")
These are the ultra-supple grippy tires: > **[Tioga Powerblock S-Spec Tire at Dan's Comp](https://www.danscomp.com/products/442134/Tioga_Powerblock_S-Spec_Tire.html)** > > Buy Tioga Powerblock S-Spec Tire at Dan's Comp > **[Tioga Fastr X S-Spec Folding Tire at Dan's Comp](https://www.danscomp.com/products/442197/Tioga_Fastr_X_S-Spec_Folding_Tire.html)** > > Buy Tioga Fastr X S-Spec Folding Tire at Dan's Comp ---
**Author:** ![Bootus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/bootus/32/110971_2.png) [@Bootus](https://tarck.cc/u/Bootus)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2018, 6:59pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13967 "2018-05-21T18:59:10Z")
> [@chazzwazzer](#): > > [quote=puelnewdle]I’ve been looking at small front racks with crown mounts and adjustable lowers like the radlawn or the nitto mark’s rack, but both of those are spendy. Thought I had a pretty brilliant idea of using a blackburn local basket up front with the mounting bits turned so they’re facing down to get it lower. But then I saw that thing weighs many pounds. I was thinking of trying the same thing with the Blackburn. I was also looking at the specialized pizza rack. If the vertical height is tall enough I think the mounts could attach to the dropout eyelet and still clear the top of the tire. Mostly though I’m thinking about the dual stem thing (or bmx bars) with a Wald 1392 attached low on the steerer, or a 198 to flat bars. I’m trying to cap my additional investment in parts to the cost of the original purchase (ha).[/quote] Had that exact same thought about the pizza rack as well, but haven’t ever gotten around to doing any measurements. The last cheap bike I bought ended up costing me another 7x of the purchase price in dithering and accessories. And that only counts what’s on the bike now. Don’t really want to drop a bong on the sundeal. Would be cheaper to give it away and buy a top of the line Katu and be done with it. Well, as done as is possible, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![jimmythefly](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/jimmythefly/32/36079_2.png) [@jimmythefly](https://tarck.cc/u/jimmythefly)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2018, 8:16pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13968 "2018-05-21T20:16:02Z")
[quote=NOVELTYNAME] ![](http://www.cyclorama.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/4636697451_4e4e5c7d9d_b.jpg) ![](http://www.betterlivingthroughdesign.com/wp-content/themes/bltd/lib/timthumb.php?src=http://www.betterlivingthroughdesign.com/images/Evo-handlebar-basket-black.jpg&h=&w=513&zc=1) ![](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/615fXjahSwL._SL1200_.jpg) ![](https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server2800/804sw/products/44380/images/350293/HDBR1050__13899.1403974486.320.320.jpg?c=2) ![](http://bkportugal.com/content/images/thumbs/0004446_guiador-cesto-origin-8.jpeg)[/quote] Came to post those. Maybe even mounted on their own on a separate lower stem down against the headset? FYI most racks that would typically mount to lowrider bosses on a normal fork should work great on the sundeal. I did a bunch of looking for 20" wheeled front racks for my Mercier Nano, and actually most lowrider-boss racks end up sitting taller over the tire than I prefer(but I was being picky). The Sundeal’s a-c is a bit taller than my nano, so the fit should be quite nice. Axiom used to make a mini front rack but I can’t find it now. ---
**Author:** ![JUGE\_FREDD](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/juge_fredd/32/34623_2.png) [@JUGE\_FREDD](https://tarck.cc/u/JUGE_FREDD)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13969 "2018-05-21T21:10:24Z")
[https://www.racktime.com/en/racktime-products/system-carriers/racktime-product/topit/](https://www.racktime.com/en/racktime-products/system-carriers/racktime-product/topit/) it’s a terrible fit for lowrider bosses on normal bikes, but it’s the perfect height for dropout eyelets on a 20" wheel ---
**Author:** ![Rentable\_Faxmachine](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/a9adbd/32.png) [@Rentable\_Faxmachine](https://tarck.cc/u/Rentable_Faxmachine)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2018, 9:54pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13970 "2018-05-21T21:54:10Z")
I remember testing that Racktime thing on my first Vaya, and the handling was downright scary. Like Fred says, should be perfect for a tiny wheel. ---
**Author:** ![ergott](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/ergott/32/41_2.png) [@ergott](https://tarck.cc/u/ergott)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13971 "2018-05-21T23:37:00Z")
Ordered this and seatpost that is setback and longer. Should be good to go. Basket fits my usual padded bag to buy beer at brewery by me. Not replacing anything else anytime soon. I considered these two things necessary for local riding. ![](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/615fXjahSwL._SL1200_.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![JUGE\_FREDD](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/juge_fredd/32/34623_2.png) [@JUGE\_FREDD](https://tarck.cc/u/JUGE_FREDD)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13972 "2018-05-22T01:14:08Z")
I have that Toba Brooklyn, which is cheap from Hawley it weighs almost 4lb by itself, but it’s the only barsket I’ve found that doesn’t suck at everything else too ---
**Author:** ![ergott](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/ergott/32/41_2.png) [@ergott](https://tarck.cc/u/ergott)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 1:59am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13973 "2018-05-22T01:59:00Z")
Yeah, Hawley order I’ll carbon paste up the stem/bar for good measure. ---
**Author:** ![karl\_dandleton](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/karl_dandleton/32/177_2.png) [@karl\_dandleton](https://tarck.cc/u/karl_dandleton)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 12:33pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13974 "2018-05-23T12:33:22Z")
why not just use two stems on it? looks like it’ll do 31.8 up top and 24.4 down low. ---
**Author:** ![ergott](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/ergott/32/41_2.png) [@ergott](https://tarck.cc/u/ergott)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13975 "2018-05-23T13:47:43Z")
> [@jawn doe](#): > > why not just use two stems on it? looks like it’ll do 31.8 up top and 24.4 down low. If I have two sitting around that are the both long enough and keep the basket angled right that would work too. I’m not going to buy stems for that purpose unless it’s an issue. ---
**Author:** ![euclid](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/euclid/32/37780_2.png) [@euclid](https://tarck.cc/u/euclid)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13976 "2018-05-23T13:51:15Z")
![](https://cdnmos-bikeradar.global.ssl.fastly.net/images/bikes-and-gear/components/stem/CYP215.stems.lookrl2_prev-630-80.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![ergott](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/ergott/32/41_2.png) [@ergott](https://tarck.cc/u/ergott)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13977 "2018-05-23T13:55:33Z")
[thumbsup] ---
**Author:** ![NOVELTYNAME](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@NOVELTYNAME](https://tarck.cc/u/NOVELTYNAME)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13978 "2018-05-23T15:42:09Z")
im late > **[Shimano’s new RX components may be the prescription for gravel | VeloNews.com](http://www.velonews.com/2018/05/bikes-and-tech/shimanos-new-rx-components-may-be-the-prescription-for-gravel_467044)** > > Shimano expands gravel offerings with RX line of components, hints at more products to come in 2018. ![](https://cdnmos-bikeradar.global.ssl.fastly.net/images/news/2018/04/01/ultegra-rx-rear-derailleurs-1522764397225-1o1wjvksg5b04-630-80.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Crustradamus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/crustradamus/32/7841_2.png) [@Crustradamus](https://tarck.cc/u/Crustradamus)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13979 "2018-05-23T16:03:00Z")
> [@](#): > > After conducting several years of research to understand the variety of terrain that encompasses “gravel” riding and racing — both in terms of road surface and texture, technicality and elevation change — Shimano engineers concluded the clutch mechanism was the best solution for chain management, while also offering a quiet and efficient drivetrain. ---
**Author:** ![ergott](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/ergott/32/41_2.png) [@ergott](https://tarck.cc/u/ergott)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13980 "2018-05-23T16:15:48Z")
[quote=NOVELTYNAME]im late > **[Shimano’s new RX components may be the prescription for gravel | VeloNews.com](http://www.velonews.com/2018/05/bikes-and-tech/shimanos-new-rx-components-may-be-the-prescription-for-gravel_467044)** > > Shimano expands gravel offerings with RX line of components, hints at more products to come in 2018. ![](https://cdnmos-bikeradar.global.ssl.fastly.net/images/news/2018/04/01/ultegra-rx-rear-derailleurs-1522764397225-1o1wjvksg5b04-630-80.jpg)[/quote] Pretty sure I’ll upgrade the dangler on my EP with one of those. ---
**Author:** ![Rentable\_Faxmachine](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/a9adbd/32.png) [@Rentable\_Faxmachine](https://tarck.cc/u/Rentable_Faxmachine)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13981 "2018-05-23T16:42:59Z")
Consider me nonplussed. ---
**Author:** ![viggen](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/viggen/32/711_2.png) [@viggen](https://tarck.cc/u/viggen)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13982 "2018-05-23T16:43:40Z")
A bird told me that shimano is dropping 1x12 this friday. ---
**Author:** ![Andrew\_Squirrel1](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Andrew\_Squirrel1](https://tarck.cc/u/Andrew_Squirrel1)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763/13983 "2018-05-23T17:20:36Z")
[quote=NOVELTYNAME]im late > **[Shimano’s new RX components may be the prescription for gravel | VeloNews.com](http://www.velonews.com/2018/05/bikes-and-tech/shimanos-new-rx-components-may-be-the-prescription-for-gravel_467044)** > > Shimano expands gravel offerings with RX line of components, hints at more products to come in 2018. ![](https://cdnmos-bikeradar.global.ssl.fastly.net/images/news/2018/04/01/ultegra-rx-rear-derailleurs-1522764397225-1o1wjvksg5b04-630-80.jpg)[/quote] How soon can we get our grubby hands on these? [Previous page](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763.md?page=698) [Next page](https://tarck.cc/t/abs-not-sure-average-huh-thread/8763.md?page=700)