# Compendium of Internet Fit Advice
**URL:** https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679
**Category:** Bikes
**Created:** [April 10, 2012, 4:48am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679 "2012-04-10T04:48:26Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 1
### Author:  [@JUGE\_FREDD](https://tarck.cc/u/JUGE_FREDD)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 4:48am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/1 "2012-04-10T04:48:26Z")
I wanna collect all the knowledge dropped by OGs about how a bike should be to fit and handle well.
Anything internally consistent and well argued, especially if it’s actionable.
Shit like Dave Kirk’s classic saddle set back test: [http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/showthread.php?t=550&p=7428#post7428](http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/showthread.php?t=550&p=7428#post7428)
Or the jerk tellin old dentists how their stems are way too short: [http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=5686](http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=5686)
(he gets a perfect foil a few pages in, obsessed with his Serotta certified fitter and dedicated to his 80mm stem)
Mickey on XC race hardtails: [http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/xc-mtb-fit-26459.html](http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/xc-mtb-fit-26459.html)
Discussion about the faster backwards phenomena: [http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/bike-handling-bike-fit-stem-height-24367.html](http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/bike-handling-bike-fit-stem-height-24367.html)
things of that nature, I like to read them
even if I do not agree, I like the perspectives
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### Author:  [@jimmythefly](https://tarck.cc/u/jimmythefly)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 5:28am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/2 "2012-04-10T05:28:38Z")
[Sheldon Brown](http://sheldonbrown.com/frame-sizing.html)
[Rivendell](http://www.rivbike.com/Articles.asp?ID=247)
[Peter White](http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm)
[Geoff Apps](http://clelandcycles.wordpress.com/philosophy/) (Info on fit and how he positions a rider is kinda scattered all over that website.)
[Dave Moulton](http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2006/2/27/a-different-thought-on-frame-sizing.html) (also worth looking around a bit, there are some other relevant articles like [this one on saddle height](http://davesbikeblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/saddle-height.html).)
Oooh. Also jsut discovered this series on frame design: [Part 1](http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2009/10/5/the-evolution-of-frame-design-part-i-the-wheelbarrow-effect.html)[Part 2](http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2009/10/8/the-evolution-of-frame-design-part-ii-how-economics-changed.html)[Part 3](http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2009/10/12/the-evolution-of-frame-design-part-iii-clinging-to-tradition.html), also [the MTB]](http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2010/3/8/evolution-the-mountain-bike.html). Not necessarily his philosophy only, but I assume interesting reading that will keep me up for a while longer this evening.
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### Author:  [@Larry\_Winget](https://tarck.cc/u/Larry_Winget)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 5:37am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/3 "2012-04-10T05:37:37Z")
[quote=Dirty Sanchez]
Or the jerk tellin old dentists how their stems are way too short: [http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=5686](http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=5686)
(he gets a perfect foil a few pages in, obsessed with his Serotta certified fitter and dedicated to his 80mm stem)[/quote]
“put the least different from my current stem on the bike while it was on the trainer, got on the bike for 10 minutes, and guess what? My stem isn’t too short.”
What in the actual fuck?
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### Author:  [@halbritt](https://tarck.cc/u/halbritt)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 6:57am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/4 "2012-04-10T06:57:28Z")
All of this makes my brain hurt and I am offended by fit advice that I disagree with, which is pretty much all of it.
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### Author:  [@1percenttruck](https://tarck.cc/u/1percenttruck)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 8:32am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/5 "2012-04-10T08:32:58Z")
welp, i didn’t go and read each link individually, but dave kirk’s post on saddle setback, in my mind, is the conclusive view on the matter and the link i send out when people ask about setback.
heath, how about you step up to the plate and 1) post your ideas on fit, and 2) a side profile of you riding your bike.
as for me, my views are generally drawn from steve hogg, who publishes articles on his website here ([http://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/articles/](http://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/articles/)) and is the resident fit expert over at [cyclingnews.com/](http://cyclingnews.com/) ([http://www.cyclingnews.com/tag/fitness](http://www.cyclingnews.com/tag/fitness)). for the record, his conception of finding setback is right on the money with dave kirk’s, which was in turn right on the money with the local track shop guru/occasional grouch who gave me my first proper race fitting.
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### Author:  [@white\_folks](https://tarck.cc/u/white_folks)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 10:20am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/6 "2012-04-10T10:20:17Z")
a wise man once told me:
low is pro
long is strong
that is all
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### Author:  [@JUGE\_FREDD](https://tarck.cc/u/JUGE_FREDD)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 10:34am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/7 "2012-04-10T10:34:06Z")
> [@1percenttruck](#):
>
> heath, how about you step up to the plate and 1) post your ideas on fit, and 2) a side profile of you riding your bike.
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### Author:  [@cookietruck](https://tarck.cc/u/cookietruck)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 12:28pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/8 "2012-04-10T12:28:44Z")
my saddle low and far back
it passes DKs test
but i had it that way before i read his post
really though i don’t think i’m too far behind KOPS
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### Author:  [@quilbert420](https://tarck.cc/u/quilbert420)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 1:01pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/9 "2012-04-10T13:01:05Z")
> [@Dirty Sanchez](#):
>
> [quote=1percenttruck]heath, how about you step up to the plate and 1) post your ideas on fit, and 2) a side profile of you riding your bike.[/quote]
its hard to when you don’t ride a bike
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### Author:  [@Dickason\_Daniel](https://tarck.cc/u/Dickason_Daniel)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 1:04pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/10 "2012-04-10T13:04:54Z")
> [@biekridder](#):
>
> [quote=Dirty Sanchez][quote=1percenttruck]heath, how about you step up to the plate and 1) post your ideas on fit, and 2) a side profile of you riding your bike.[/quote]
its hard to when you don’t ride a bike[/quote]
:colbert:
you’re really in no position to be critical of others with regard to posting pictures of themselves riding a bike
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### Author:  [@quilbert420](https://tarck.cc/u/quilbert420)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 1:13pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/11 "2012-04-10T13:13:01Z")
its hard to when you don’t own or ride a bike.
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### Author:  [@cookietruck](https://tarck.cc/u/cookietruck)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 2:08pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/12 "2012-04-10T14:08:42Z")
all biek does is drink forty’s iwth frat bros and troll tarck
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### Author:  [@rabbi](https://tarck.cc/u/rabbi)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 2:24pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/13 "2012-04-10T14:24:10Z")
[quote=truckdoug]a wise man once told me:
low is pro
long is strong
that is all[/quote]
If you wanna ride with me
There’s some things you gotta know
I like my stem slammed
And my bars down low
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### Author:  [@white\_folks](https://tarck.cc/u/white_folks)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 2:24pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/14 "2012-04-10T14:24:15Z")
i post the Doug Pro-Race fit ™ again.
step 1: find the caad10 which fits best and most comfortably, with the level components you prefer
step 2: buy the next size smaller
step 3: install -17\* stem in 120, 130 or 140 sizeway on top of bearing cap. slamming directly onto bearing itself is only necessary if you’re over 6’4" and a -20\* doesn’t get you low enough.
step 4: traditional bend bars only.
step 5: slam the saddle all the way back on the rails
step 6: pedal harder, bitch
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### Author:  [@cookietruck](https://tarck.cc/u/cookietruck)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 2:31pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/15 "2012-04-10T14:31:51Z")
lolz
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### Author:  [@jimmythefly](https://tarck.cc/u/jimmythefly)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 3:54pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/16 "2012-04-10T15:54:41Z")
[quote=truckdoug]a wise man once told me:
low is pro
long is strong
[/quote]
Also, down to get the friction on?
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### Author:  [@1percenttruck](https://tarck.cc/u/1percenttruck)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/17 "2012-04-10T17:35:04Z")
[quote=truckdoug]a wise man once told me:
low is pro
long is strong
that is all[/quote]
\<333
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### Author:  [@crowding1](https://tarck.cc/u/crowding1)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2012, 10:01pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/18 "2012-04-10T22:01:39Z")
This KB essay is classic. internally consistent, well thought through, not much actionable though if you follow this line of thinking you can arrive at things like the dave kirk setback test:
[http://sheldonbrown.com/kops.html](http://sheldonbrown.com/kops.html)
stuff about the meaning of seat tube angle, vs top tube length, stack/reach
[http://www.rivbike.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/ttr\_excerpt.pdf](http://www.rivbike.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/ttr_excerpt.pdf)
[http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/techctr/stack.html](http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/techctr/stack.html)
[http://www.sicklines.com/2008/12/18/reach-and-stack-a-good-idea/](http://www.sicklines.com/2008/12/18/reach-and-stack-a-good-idea/)
dan empfield is worth reading, it’s all tridork centric but atmo you can learn things about normal biking by looking what has to be done to compensate for tridorkery
[http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/techctr/bikefit.html](http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/techctr/bikefit.html)
I want more to read about MTB fitting.
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### Author:  [@JUGE\_FREDD](https://tarck.cc/u/JUGE_FREDD)
#### Post date: [April 11, 2012, 12:08am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/19 "2012-04-11T00:08:50Z")
> [@crowding](#):
>
> I want more to read about MTB fitting.
me too
especially because it has to focus on balance and handling and almost entirely ignore the usual consumer-centric comfort crap, making it actually useful
the tridork stuff is interesting in a somewhat similar way given how focused they are on aerodynamics and power production at the expense of all else
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### Author:  [@timberland\_boots](https://tarck.cc/u/timberland_boots)
#### Post date: [April 11, 2012, 3:44am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/compendium-of-internet-fit-advice/19679/20 "2012-04-11T03:44:07Z")
Mountain bike fitting is black magic ATMO, specially when the important fit number is really your reach (from standing above the bottom bracket, not seated) and the road bike school of fitting goes completely out the window.
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