# Endpoint bikes (and Outpost) thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Bikes\ **Created:** [August 1, 2018, 11:58am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53 "2018-08-01T11:58:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Bootus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/bootus/32/110971_2.png) [@Bootus](https://tarck.cc/u/Bootus)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1283 "2021-11-29T19:13:15Z")
> [@EndpointBraden](#): > > Hunter Gatherer Any geo changes on this? I consumed a new Polyvalent last summer to be my casual vibes bike and the though of 650x48s are bumming me out. An XL day/ruiner able to fit 700x36 and fenders would be better. ---
**Author:** ![EndpointBraden](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/endpointbraden/32/22101_2.png) [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1284 "2021-11-29T19:31:25Z")
No real changes. It keeps the slightly higher bottom bracket compared to the CG and NM. ---
**Author:** ![Andpoint\_Endy](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/andpoint_endy/32/1212_2.png) [@Andpoint\_Endy](https://tarck.cc/u/Andpoint_Endy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 11:38pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1285 "2021-11-29T23:38:58Z")
Top tube meets slightly lower than the previous build at the seat tube for your dropper consideration. ---
**Author:** ![Bootus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/bootus/32/110971_2.png) [@Bootus](https://tarck.cc/u/Bootus)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1286 "2021-11-29T23:42:08Z")
Oh, suddenly going from casual vibes to Casual Vibes. Internal routing? ---
**Author:** ![Andpoint\_Endy](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/andpoint_endy/32/1212_2.png) [@Andpoint\_Endy](https://tarck.cc/u/Andpoint_Endy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1287 "2021-11-29T23:44:33Z")
External routed which I understand from Braden to have some good affordable options available from PNW or you can save your coins and get an AXS Reverb which is CASUAL VIBES. ---
**Author:** ![EndpointBraden](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/endpointbraden/32/22101_2.png) [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2021, 1:25am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1288 "2021-11-30T01:25:45Z")
Correct. Very easy to run external under the top tube with the other housing. PNW is cheap and works. Internal would be “semi-internal” and would likely rattle. ---
**Author:** ![æfop](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/%C3%A6fop/32/71206_2.png) [@æfop](https://tarck.cc/u/%C3%A6fop)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2021, 2:18am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1289 "2021-11-30T02:18:37Z")
Is 700x35 with fenders still the working model for the NM? If the 700x36 with fenders fits you can just take my money. It’s too tight on my BMC road+ and I’m really asking for an emergency ejection. ---
**Author:** ![b-roll](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/b-roll/32/88147_2.png) [@b-roll](https://tarck.cc/u/b-roll)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1290 "2021-12-01T22:54:59Z")
Is there a beginner’s guide to these frames around? Seriously interested but am not savvy enough to keep up with the ongoing discussions about these modern triangulated creatures and their loving ways. ---
**Author:** ![EndpointBraden](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/endpointbraden/32/22101_2.png) [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2021, 12:33am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1291 "2021-12-02T00:33:06Z")
I’ll elaborate more as needed… but here’s the the basic concept. CG - all road/go fast bike. Best set up with a tapered steerer full carbon fork. 35mm down tub 32mm top tube. Max tire 700x40 650x48. I’d say OPTIMAL tire size 700x28-36 650x48. 418mm stays. “Endurance road” geometry. Stable but not sluggish. Maybe a bit lest stack than a true “endurance” bike so you can still slam the stem and get an aggressive position. It’s a road bike so it has cable stops for 2x. Low bottle cage mounts. Ideal gearing 50/34 NM - all day/all night rando thing. Comes with a steel fork for low trail/high load hijinks. 32mm down tube, 27mm top tube. The most minimal seat stays we could justify. A bit more slope in the top tube best paired with a nice flexy carbon post. Similar tire clearances to the CG. 2x specific. Has a brazed on front derailleur mount placed to be run 50/34 or 46/30. No real frame rack mounts, but you could probably stick a Tubus Fly on there. But why? HG - mixed surface, touring, rando, whatevering machine. Low trail. Longer stays. Same tube diameters as the NM but not quite as light. BB is a tad higher. I consider it a 650/584 specific bike. 650x48/50 is cool. But it clears all the way up to a 2.4” trail tire. Front and rear load approved. Definitely reasonable to set it up 1X but can also run a road chainline 46/30 nerd crank. Full length housing and can easily be adapted for 1x or 2x use without aesthetic compromises. ---
**Author:** ![Bootus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/bootus/32/110971_2.png) [@Bootus](https://tarck.cc/u/Bootus)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2021, 1:36am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1292 "2021-12-02T01:36:02Z")
HG does really well with 700x36 atmo and has plenty of clearance for fenders too. @EndpointBraden why braze-on pusher for the night moves? ---
**Author:** ![EndpointBraden](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/endpointbraden/32/22101_2.png) [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2021, 1:38am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1293 "2021-12-02T01:38:38Z")
Solves for optimal low bottle placement and not having to use a slotted/adjustable braze on adapter. None of the non-slotted types play well with our ST bottle placement. It’s crowded there. Plus it’s a road bike. And I’m hard headed about doubles. And it’s a little weird. And I like “a little weird”. ---
**Author:** ![Bootus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/bootus/32/110971_2.png) [@Bootus](https://tarck.cc/u/Bootus)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2021, 1:42am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1294 "2021-12-02T01:42:07Z")
> [@EndpointBraden](#): > > It’s crowded there. Oh yes, running a 42x28 double on the HG I’m very aware of this. ---
**Author:** ![goose\_value\_69](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/goose_value_69/32/169983_2.png) [@goose\_value\_69](https://tarck.cc/u/goose_value_69)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2021, 2:11am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1295 "2021-12-02T02:11:48Z")
Could you 53/39 a NM (aside from the FD mount)? ---
**Author:** ![EndpointBraden](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/endpointbraden/32/22101_2.png) [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2021, 2:13am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1296 "2021-12-02T02:13:36Z")
Maybe? There’s room to push the pusher up a bit. 52/36 should work. ---
**Author:** ![jimmythefly](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/jimmythefly/32/36079_2.png) [@jimmythefly](https://tarck.cc/u/jimmythefly)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2021, 2:14am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1297 "2021-12-02T02:14:00Z")
NM tire clearances? And is it symmetric (I thought I saw where the NM and HG would use the same fork?) ---
**Author:** ![EndpointBraden](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/endpointbraden/32/22101_2.png) [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2021, 2:30am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1298 "2021-12-02T02:30:27Z")
Same fork. Which has more clearance than the back end of the NM. ---
**Author:** ![Andpoint\_Endy](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/andpoint_endy/32/1212_2.png) [@Andpoint\_Endy](https://tarck.cc/u/Andpoint_Endy)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 3:56am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1299 "2021-12-03T03:56:20Z")
Night moves rear clearance should be like Braden mentioned - 650x48ish, 700x40. We can throw a wheel in there and confirm a little more. He’s got some skinny babies on there right now. Fork definitely will take a 2.4 if people are trying to do some wild shit with one. ![1-1](https://cdn.tarck.cc/original/3X/b/6/b69ad10ff5cd979ae162c10a91714ac80a521031.jpeg) Here’s a super duper proto thing with some chonky Fast Traks on it. 2.2? ---
**Author:** ![karl\_dandleton](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/karl_dandleton/32/177_2.png) [@karl\_dandleton](https://tarck.cc/u/karl_dandleton)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 4:25am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1300 "2021-12-03T04:25:03Z")
> [@Andpoint\_Endy](#): > > super duper proto thing ok ok ok let’s take a step back here ---
**Author:** ![EndpointBraden](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/endpointbraden/32/22101_2.png) [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 5:16am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1301 "2021-12-03T05:16:23Z")
Let’s not. This had to happen to get us where we are now, but it was never meant to be. ---
**Author:** ![karl\_dandleton](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/karl_dandleton/32/177_2.png) [@karl\_dandleton](https://tarck.cc/u/karl_dandleton)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 5:18am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53/1302 "2021-12-03T05:18:26Z")
as the owner of a titanium prototype all road frame that doesn’t clear a road crank properly i’ll go ahead and agree. great bike though as long as you embrace square taper life [Previous page](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53.md?page=64) [Next page](https://tarck.cc/t/endpoint-bikes-and-outpost-thread/53.md?page=66)