# Framebuildin' **URL:** \ **Category:** Bikes\ **Created:** [September 19, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941 "2018-09-19T12:23:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![rancid\_burple](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/rancid_burple/32/3104_2.png) [@rancid\_burple](https://tarck.cc/u/rancid_burple)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/523 "2019-07-24T15:28:09Z")
Yeah it looked like it. I had to do some work with that stuff in school last week. ![image](https://cdn.tarck.cc/original/2X/6/652d011a56903c2af84084684b5cea2683cb06e3.jpeg) It helps to have the flame reeeaaalll small otherwise you don’t get much build up. Trying to lay tight beads like that is good practice for heat control. I was keeping the torch moving in little circles and backing off/coming in to control heat and time my dabs of filler. With proper paste flux it’s a lot easier to see what you’re doing since the flux has already gone clear and liquid when you start laying the filler down instead of bubbling and fizzling all over the place. ---
**Author:** ![joyofvaping](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/joyofvaping/32/37814_2.png) [@joyofvaping](https://tarck.cc/u/joyofvaping)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/524 "2019-07-24T22:44:44Z")
> [@LASER\_BEIGE](#): > > Yo make a track bike but supple 650b what would tarck do with the chainstays to get clearance? Are just dimples fine if it’s not tukt? not sure if it’s doable as a beginner / first frame ---
**Author:** ![drwelby](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/drwelby/32/142_2.png) [@drwelby](https://tarck.cc/u/drwelby)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/525 "2019-07-24T22:53:43Z")
Dimpling is easy, takes minimal DIY tools. ---
**Author:** ![turpentine](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/turpentine/32/51348_2.png) [@turpentine](https://tarck.cc/u/turpentine)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/526 "2019-07-24T23:15:26Z")
first frame should be a monthly special off nova to be thrown away. Get the $100 kit because you are going to make that much $ in mistakes on Zona or anything nice. ---
**Author:** ![Orc](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/orc/32/2244_2.png) [@Orc](https://tarck.cc/u/Orc)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/527 "2019-07-24T23:43:24Z")
My first few machines don’t have dimpled chainstays and they’ll fit Confreries w/o any problem, flat magnets tightly. And dimpling is stupidly simple to do; if you’re fretful that you’ll mangle a chainstay just dimple them before gluing them into the frame, so fucking up won’t fuck up the whole frame. Also seconding the ‘el-cheapo Nova tubeset’ idea; The standard diameter eNt often shows up in 8/5/8, which will be more supple than an O/S 7/5/7 tubeset, and in any case will help build up a ridiculous stockpile of seatstays (like mine. I need to sort out the lightest ones I’ve got and dump the rest of them.) ---
**Author:** ![crowding](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/crowding/32/37821_2.png) [@crowding](https://tarck.cc/u/crowding)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/528 "2019-07-28T04:44:46Z")
Ooh, I figured out the spellwork for modeling drivetrain loads in f360. You arrange a bunch of Ritual Pyramids around the object under test, cast Rigidify in groups, and if it works right you’ll get a plausible result like how the BB flexes more under the left pedal than the right: ![pyramids_edit](https://cdn.tarck.cc/original/2X/e/e9c1d7430e048adf47c55fb835f576cb683782ec.gif) ---
**Author:** ![cheese](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/cheese/32/182_2.png) [@cheese](https://tarck.cc/u/cheese)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 6:40am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/529 "2019-07-28T06:40:36Z")
> [@crowding](#): > > Ritual Pyramids this was a 2014ish indie rock band right ---
**Author:** ![Eric\_Estlund](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/eric_estlund/32/164219_2.png) [@Eric\_Estlund](https://tarck.cc/u/Eric_Estlund)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/530 "2019-08-19T21:28:13Z")
![IMG_20190819_131756_883](https://cdn.tarck.cc/original/3X/e/a/ea7bc1738115e7b68f4bb5e6d862131a99f8f84d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![crowding](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/crowding/32/37821_2.png) [@crowding](https://tarck.cc/u/crowding)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 5:14am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/531 "2019-08-20T05:14:59Z")
FEA is telling me some interesting things! Some learnings: - Seatstay bridges do work a bit to reduce the stresses where SS joins ST/TT, but are probably only necessary if you’ve got S-bent Hellenic stays or such. - Chainstay bridges, on the other hand, are bullshit; they don’t reduce but just move around the stresses where CS meets BB, at the cost of making new, equally severe stresses where bridge meets CS. I kind of expected that since most of the GIS results for “cracked chainstay” seem to originate at either the bridge or at a dimple. So if I just need a fender mount I’ll use a U-shaped bridge across the tops of the CS; If you actually want to stiffen/reinforce the chainstays you’re probably better off putting plates across the tops and bottoms of the CS rather than a tube at the middle. - Which planes more, fastback or Hellenic stays? Fastback, probably! Didn’t expect that. Guess I’ll be trying an English style monostay next. - Yes, flatmount on a steel fork should work at a similar weight to IS tab. Still iterating on how the bracing will look. ---
**Author:** ![Orc](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/orc/32/2244_2.png) [@Orc](https://tarck.cc/u/Orc)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 5:37am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/532 "2019-08-20T05:37:36Z")
> [@crowding](#): > > - Chainstay bridges, on the other hand, are bullshit; they don’t reduce but just move around the stresses where CS meets BB _Veeeeery interesting_! And I have two frames almost ready to braze together, so I’ll need to discard my traditional 5/16ths tube for something else that just holds a fender mount. > [@crowding](#): > > - Which planes more, fastback or Hellenic stays? Fastback, probably! Didn’t expect that I’m not at all surprised == that third crossbar (TT/ST/fender-or-brake bridge) makes even pencil stays stiffer than they look. ---
**Author:** ![joyofvaping](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/joyofvaping/32/37814_2.png) [@joyofvaping](https://tarck.cc/u/joyofvaping)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 5:38am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/533 "2019-08-20T05:38:57Z")
i’ve been meaning to (re)learn FEA using fusion360 and this is an interesting way to do it! Want to share your model/file? ---
**Author:** ![Orc](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/orc/32/2244_2.png) [@Orc](https://tarck.cc/u/Orc)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 5:41am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/534 "2019-08-20T05:41:17Z")
Frame #11.5, mocked up (8/5/8 & 8/6 front triangle, most likely pencil stays, maybe disco fever?) and about to be stacked in a corner with my travel frame while I run over to airgas for another bottle of oxygen: ![Mockup](https://cdn.tarck.cc/original/3X/5/e/5eaebfc48fcd5f4c60ee51af1c878bc47e49931e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![turpentine](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/turpentine/32/51348_2.png) [@turpentine](https://tarck.cc/u/turpentine)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 12:47pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/535 "2019-08-20T12:47:23Z")
I’m surprised you don’t run propane/ oxy concentrator for maximum dirtbag fuckery ---
**Author:** ![Orc](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/orc/32/2244_2.png) [@Orc](https://tarck.cc/u/Orc)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/536 "2019-08-20T17:19:33Z")
1. The extra 1000 freedom degrees that I get out of acetylene works really well for encouraging brass to stick on stainless. 2. oxygen concentrators are pretty expensive and I’ll go through a _lot_ of bottles of air before I catch up. 3. a lathe is higher on my wishlist. 4. so is a mill. 5. so is an frame jig that’s got actual hardware instead of the tottering pile of kludges that I’m using. 6. also a shop building instead of a squirrel and pigeon-infested garage. ---
**Author:** ![Face](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/face/32/77523_2.png) [@Face](https://tarck.cc/u/Face)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 2:57am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/538 "2019-08-26T02:57:43Z")
> [@Orc](#): > > 1. also a shop building instead of a squirrel and pigeon-infested garage. Get a van? ---
**Author:** ![Orc](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/orc/32/2244_2.png) [@Orc](https://tarck.cc/u/Orc)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 3:28am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/539 "2019-08-26T03:28:08Z")
No drivers license. ---
**Author:** ![Face](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/face/32/77523_2.png) [@Face](https://tarck.cc/u/Face)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 3:47am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/540 "2019-08-26T03:47:54Z")
Not to drive, to build frames in. ---
**Author:** ![sleve\_mcdichael](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/sleve_mcdichael/32/1051_2.png) [@sleve\_mcdichael](https://tarck.cc/u/sleve_mcdichael)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/541 "2019-08-26T03:53:02Z")
someone else can drive while orc builds? ---
**Author:** ![Orc](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/orc/32/2244_2.png) [@Orc](https://tarck.cc/u/Orc)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/542 "2019-08-26T03:53:07Z")
I am nowhere near organized enough to build racks & frames in such a small space. ---
**Author:** ![Face](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/face/32/77523_2.png) [@Face](https://tarck.cc/u/Face)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941/543 "2019-08-26T03:53:37Z")
Build a van instead. [Previous page](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941.md?page=26) [Next page](https://tarck.cc/t/framebuildin/21941.md?page=28)