[quote=“crushkilldestroy”]90k isn’t really that much money at all. It wouldn’t even get you 1/3 of a house in Seattle.
My advice would be to save it like a grown up, rather than spend it like a child. How do you think your recently passed relative would feel if he/she saw his/her hard earned 90k spent on bikes booze and porn?[/quote]
Beer and porn, good concept
Hm, is this true what it says on the Yamaguchi webpage, about their “Messenger” frame:
“Messenger frame are require more strength then regular competition track frame. Competition track frame are not design for back pedaling (fixed gear braking) this yield stress on chain stays, seat stays and rear dropouts.”
I’ve never heard about back pedaling damaging stays and dropouts on a regular track frame.
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edited. didn’t know what i was talking about.
I want a Yamaguchi road frame. Maybe that’ll be my gift to myself when bills are gone.
borrow $20,000 and get this bike. if its really $90,000 yourr gettting.
http://www.aurumania.com/I think i get an inheritance when im 18…No idea how much, if theres enough to waste a tiny bit ill take the yamaguchi frame building class or build up an all njs bike just for the hell of it… if not ill probally end up spending some money on some good craigslist deals.
I still plan to take the yamaguchi class someday though, that would just make it easier.
yeah yamaguchis suck
nobody should get one
i mean he only used to build for 3rensho
and the us olympic team
wtf does he know
and of course true temper is really shitty tubing
all of the above is sarcasm
yamaguchi is a bad ass
[quote=“dooktruck”]yeah yamaguchis suck
nobody should get one
i mean he only used to build for 3rensho
and the us olympic team
wtf does he know
and of course true temper is really shitty tubing[/quote]
He may know what he’s doing, but you have to admit that $1300 for 4130 and hi ten is kind of ridiculous.
And True Temper is just a brand name, not a type of tubing. They make like 3 or 4 types of tubing.
this is some shitty stuff here
http://www.henryjames.com/tubing.html http://www.henryjames.com/butt.htmlcompared to this
http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/columb ... schart.htmif you want i can take some real detailed pictures of my bike to show you the difference
between the yamaguchi and the NJS bridgestone frame with the seat tube i broke.
the yamaguchi is superior
the benotto i had was columbus tubing and it is a huge piece of shit.
i can take pictures of the lack of mitering they did in the BB shell.
I am in a similar situation. I recently inherited $5k and I decided to use it partly to improve a practical and durable bike that I was already planning on building. Now I’ve got a crosscheck with ultegra 10 speed in the works. Once I’m done building, I intend to donate the exact amount I spent on the bike to various non-profits.
My point is, spend it on something useful that will last (since the economy will suck soon), don’t blow it just because you can.
I ride a Gunnar (TIG-welded Waterford) and I absolutely love it. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy another Gunnar, or a Waterford.
[quote=“dooktruck”]this is some shitty stuff here
http://www.henryjames.com/tubing.html http://www.henryjames.com/butt.htmlcompared to this
http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/columb ... schart.htm[/quote]I kind of feel like I’m screaming at a wall here.
I’m sure you love your Yamaguchi. More power to you. But we’re talking about the fact that this bike has a base cost of $1400 and it’s spec’ed with HI TENSILE SEATSTAYS. And then he says that it’s because “Competition track frame are not design for back pedaling (fixed gear braking) this yield stress on chain stays, seat stays and rear dropouts.”
He does make great frames. He’s also good at feeding out a nice quality line of bullshit to sell said frames.
exactly what is hi tensile steel
and how is different from some columbus steel
edited. didn’t know what i was talking about.
I dont have one right now, my sister lets me ride her husbands Trek 4500 when he is out of town, and that is an ok ride, but I want my own…
And with this, I can finally get one[/quote]
i wouldn’t invest it in a bike that’s too expensive. not only is 90k not much, but how do you know what kind of bike you want if your only comparison is a trek 4500? seriously. buy something cheap, simple, and see where it takes you.
i’d recommend an entry level fixed gear/single speed to get you started.
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[quote=“snakesakti”]correction: he uses brand name (true temper) 4130 for the frames (same as any generic cro-mo of the shelf bike) and hi ten for the seatstays.
also, as i already pointed out, i’m not sure what “Messenger frame are our new track models. Frame are one by one custom made (not production frame) Build to finish are master frame builder Koichi Yamaguchi” is supposed to mean. if they are hand made by yamaguchi himself it’s still totally odd that he’s skimping on the tubeset. the aero track is cheaper and supposedly uses some custom true temper tubes.
either way, i emailed to get a number on a less generic paint job, with 3 different tubing options (slx, 853 and tt ox)… we’ll see how big the price jumps are,a and how much their “Extensive Geometry Selections” run.[/quote]
what the hell are you talking about?
you think yamaguchi doesn’t really have extensive geometry selections? have you seen the frames he’s built?
you think all 4130 tubing is the same? do they all have the same butt profile? what about tensile strength? is that the same for all?
http://www.henryjames.com/verusht.htmli’d take a frame built with that.
all yamaguchi’s are custom. buyer has to send extensive sheet with many measurements so he can design the geometry for the person. he even wants to know “race weight (not winter or training weight)”.
every frame is a blend of tubing to make a frame for the person ordering the frame, for the purpose they need/want.
that’s the way good builders do it.
if yamaguchi didn’t build it then it doesn’t get his name on it.
buy me a cannondale track frame, size 54. i can take care of the rest of the parts, but feel free to add in a set of black H+Son rims and DA 7600 hubs.
