# Hplusson rims?
**URL:** https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508
**Category:** Bikes
**Created:** [August 28, 2008, 12:39pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508 "2008-08-28T12:39:46Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 3
### Author:  [@deathhare](https://tarck.cc/u/deathhare)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 5:16am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/41 "2008-08-30T05:16:09Z")
Can we get a group buy on these things?
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### Author:  [@1percenttruck](https://tarck.cc/u/1percenttruck)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 5:18am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/42 "2008-08-30T05:18:23Z")
> [@tzusing](#):
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> [quote=“anomaly”]Campy Atlanta \> those pieces of shite
so what makes campy atlanta better than these rims?
I appreciate all customer feedback and anything that can help improve the product.
if my rims offend you. i am sorry.
ps. the formation face rims are also welded joint. leaving a seamless smooth surface.[/quote]
so you’re behind these rims huh? are you going to offer a tubular rim? this would be the shit for a track wheelset for cheaper than carbon.
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### Author:  [@tzusing](https://tarck.cc/u/tzusing)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 6:25am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/43 "2008-08-30T06:25:05Z")
I currently have my hands very full. this tubular rim is possible but not on the radar as of yet.
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### Author:  [@blickblocks](https://tarck.cc/u/blickblocks)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 6:28am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/44 "2008-08-30T06:28:20Z")
Can you clue us in on US availability?
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### Author:  [@tzusing](https://tarck.cc/u/tzusing)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 7:49am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/45 "2008-08-30T07:49:06Z")
can’t really say right now. i hope in the next 2-3 months.
It would probably be a lot sooner if i stop surfing the web and poking my head into forums and actually start getting work done.
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### Author:  [@teepz](https://tarck.cc/u/teepz)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 9:10am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/46 "2008-08-30T09:10:35Z")
where is the lime green version
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### Author:  [@anomaly](https://tarck.cc/u/anomaly)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 12:37pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/47 "2008-08-30T12:37:47Z")
> [@tzusing](#):
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> [quote=“anomaly”]Campy Atlanta \> those pieces of shite
so what makes campy atlanta better than these rims?
I appreciate all customer feedback and anything that can help improve the product.
if my rims offend you. i am sorry.
ps. the formation face rims are also welded joint. leaving a seamless smooth surface.[/quote]
Honestly, your rims could be very high quality. I’ve not held a set so I don’t know. Making a 42mm rim aimed at street riding is going to make you a ton of money though. Tons of kids want a radddddd fixie trick rim in a bright color. The lack of tubular option shows where you want your market to be.
Care to post a picture of 3 or 4 of your rims being weighed by a gram scale? I’m interested to see if they are lighter or heavier than Atlantas. I’m leaning towards heavier…
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### Author:  [@dutret](https://tarck.cc/u/dutret)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 1:05pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/48 "2008-08-30T13:05:05Z")
> [@tzusing](#):
>
> [quote=“anomaly”]Campy Atlanta \> those pieces of shite
so what makes campy atlanta better than these rims?
I appreciate all customer feedback and anything that can help improve the product.
if my rims offend you. i am sorry. [/quote]
With only 36/32h they aren’t really an option for people looking for aero. offering 20, 24 and 28 at a minimum would help.
Also I worry about the fact that the braking surface is machined to be parallel rather than extruded parallel and machined smooth. Non parallel braking surfaces are completely useless but does the machining leave enough metal there to last?
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### Author:  [@tzusing](https://tarck.cc/u/tzusing)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 2:13pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/49 "2008-08-30T14:13:41Z")
> [@anomaly](#):
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> [quote=“tzusing”][quote=“anomaly”]Campy Atlanta \> those pieces of shite
so what makes campy atlanta better than these rims?
I appreciate all customer feedback and anything that can help improve the product.
if my rims offend you. i am sorry.
ps. the formation face rims are also welded joint. leaving a seamless smooth surface.[/quote]
Honestly, your rims could be very high quality. I’ve not held a set so I don’t know. Making a 42mm rim aimed at street riding is going to make you a ton of money though. Tons of kids want a radddddd “party foul: please edit” trick rim in a bright color. The lack of tubular option shows where you want your market to be.
Care to post a picture of 3 or 4 of your rims being weighed by a gram scale? I’m interested to see if they are lighter or heavier than Atlantas. I’m leaning towards heavier…[/quote]
aluminum extrusion molds change as they get used more and more. Which is why you see the fluctuation of weight between rims
If you think weight is the main concern i can show you pictures of 42 mm high aluminum rims at 530 grams. But what would be the point of that. I wouldn’t allow that to pass QC. As a matter of fact i have a bunch of rims like this sitting in the trash bin, ones that didn’t pass QC. 580 grams isn’t the lightest in the batch of 1000 rims. That is actually an average. I don’t post that one lightest rim as my rim weight. I actually do use the average weight of all my rims. Which is why people have been saying my rims are lighter than Deep Vs.
I don’t use the standard 6061 alloy on my rims.
Also these rims are 42mm high which i think is 2 mm higher than the old campy shamal and vento. Not sure about the atlanta. The 2 mm adds up to be a lot of aluminum on a 700c rim.
If you could just post what type of aluminum is on the campy rim. I could tell you straight away if my rims are heavier or lighter given the same profile.
Because when we talk about weight, this is really what it is about. The MPA level of the aluminum. The MPA level higher you can get away with using less aluminum.
So no i don’t think it would be meaningful to post pictures of a super light weight 42 high rim that wouldn’t pass my QC.
Test came back showing that the 560 gram rim passed the standard road test. But i decided to keep the rims a bit heavier because i understand customers would perceive flex on the side wall of a rim as weakness. But in reality high profile carbon rims flex WAY more. Over building does also give me a peace of mind.
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### Author:  [@Petr5](https://tarck.cc/u/Petr5)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 2:19pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/50 "2008-08-30T14:19:22Z")
^Glad you joined. You’re helping make us a legitimate resource. I’m sure I can speak for everyone when I say thanks.
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### Author:  [@ArtBlur](https://tarck.cc/u/ArtBlur)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 2:21pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/51 "2008-08-30T14:21:20Z")
tzusing, i want to thank you for contributing to the forum. it’s nice to have people who produce products for our niche market communicating directly with us as consumers.
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### Author:  [@tzusing](https://tarck.cc/u/tzusing)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 2:26pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/52 "2008-08-30T14:26:16Z")
> [@dutret](#):
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> [quote=“tzusing”][quote=“anomaly”]Campy Atlanta \> those pieces of shite
so what makes campy atlanta better than these rims?
I appreciate all customer feedback and anything that can help improve the product.
if my rims offend you. i am sorry. [/quote]
With only 36/32h they aren’t really an option for people looking for aero. offering 20, 24 and 28 at a minimum would help.
Also I worry about the fact that the braking surface is machined to be parallel rather than extruded parallel and machined smooth. Non parallel braking surfaces are completely useless but does the machining leave enough metal there to last?[/quote]
They are in fact 2 different die (molds)
It would be totally crazy to cnc the formation face rim to a a parallel braking surface.
Also there is in fact a low spoke count wheel set floating around with the SL42 profile. a different brand name. But because of personal reasons and also lack of time to invest into a wheel set project i decided to not go with it.
Please understand that H Plus Son is a very new company with a very small team.
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### Author:  [@tzusing](https://tarck.cc/u/tzusing)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 3:05pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/53 "2008-08-30T15:05:08Z")
Thanks guys.
i also have much to learn. But i try to share what i know. esp if it makes my rims look good. =D
My company’s background is def more in raw material and production techniques…(meaning i come from a background of all those factories that make bicycle parts for brand names)
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### Author:  [@1percenttruck](https://tarck.cc/u/1percenttruck)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/54 "2008-08-30T16:22:06Z")
tzusing, i’m happy you’re posting here too.
get a tubular option out before next track season and i’m stoked. i’m sure lots of people would be happy about that if the price was right and word of mouth spread, seeing as 42mm is actually deep enough to give an aero benefit and low spoke counts aren’t as big of a deal on the track as they are on the road.
what’s the price going to be for these rims in the US?
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### Author:  [@dutret](https://tarck.cc/u/dutret)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 6:59pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/55 "2008-08-30T18:59:28Z")
[quote=“tzusing”]
They are in fact 2 different die (molds)
It would be totally crazy to cnc the formation face rim to a a parallel braking surface.[/quote]
ahh cool that’s the problem with the 3rd hand information that’s around about these.
I would probably buy a 28/24 set if available. What is it going to take to get them shipped to the states? Whats the minimum order to make direct shipping feasible?
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### Author:  [@anomaly](https://tarck.cc/u/anomaly)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 8:32pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/56 "2008-08-30T20:32:35Z")
I would like to retract being a dick. You seem to have put a decent amount of effort into making the rim.
The Atlantas were 570-590 but were only 34mm deep, I had thought they were over 40 but apparently I am wrong.
Get low spoke count out there and tubular option!
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### Author:  [@jitensha](https://tarck.cc/u/jitensha)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 10:35pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/57 "2008-08-30T22:35:40Z")
> [@dutret](#):
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> I would probably buy a 28/24 set if available. What is it going to take to get them shipped to the states? Whats the minimum order to make direct shipping feasible?
i agree. one of these laced to a 24h chub with sapim cx-rays would make a pretty kickass race wheel.
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### Author:  [@1percenttruck](https://tarck.cc/u/1percenttruck)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2008, 11:32pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/58 "2008-08-30T23:32:20Z")
Dura Ace laced with CX Rays to two 28h Hplusson rims = real mean race wheelset, much cheaper than Zipp, HED or Reynolds. I’d probably ride one in the rear and keep the Tri Spoke up front…
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### Author:  [@tzusing](https://tarck.cc/u/tzusing)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2008, 1:51am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/59 "2008-08-31T01:51:24Z")
Thanks for all this input guys.
you guys have me convinced i think i might do a small run of low spoke count.
but more than just releasing a rim with low spoke count i’m more interested in doing a low spoke count wheel set.
The retail price of the rim will prob be around 80-90 bucks.
but in 3 months time you have to factor in the weakening US Dollar and the increase in gas prices. And also factor in how much margin the lbs wants to make.
so 3 questions
what color should said low spoke count rim be?
how many spokes?
and if i do a wheel. straight pull or j bend hub?
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### Author:  [@1percenttruck](https://tarck.cc/u/1percenttruck)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2008, 2:08am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/hplusson-rims/9508/60 "2008-08-31T02:08:38Z")
80-90 is very reasonable IMO.
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