So, in conclusion, a short cage mtn rear will work for a any single or double up front and up to 34 in back, right?
And:
mtn long cage = triple + mtn cassette
road long cage = triple + 28t max cassette
road short = double + 28t max cassette
?
I don’t know if I’d go so far as a 34 in the rear, but it will definitely do a 32.
You can do a 32t max and a double with the road short cage. The main issue is chain tension in the smaller cogs while on the smaller ring.
I’ve run a 7spd 105 short cage derailler with a 12-28 7spd with mountain triple and 11-32 9spd with road double (39x46) without any problems. I’ve run an Ultegra short cage with the same 11-32 and 39x46 (current set up).
Chris
Well, my original planned frame for my rando fixed build didn’t happen. I was way outbid at the last minute on a jumbo sized Mercian King of Mercia touring frame on the 'bay. But, then I got a heads up from a BF C&V member on this and I bought it. I am happy with the price of $225 SHIPPED! Even if it doesn’t work I could sell it for what I paid pretty easily.
oh yeah that merican was nice.
there is a miyata 1000 on there now in my size a few days left and bidding is already approaching $500…jeez.
[quote="(|)"]oh yeah that merican was nice.
there is a miyata 1000 on there now in my size a few days left and bidding is already approaching $500…jeez.[/quote]
I have seen Miyata 1000 bring $1K on Ebay, and it was local pick up only on that one! The last three that ended for $511, $635 and a very modified upgrade non-original one fetched $760. I have also seen Trek 720’s fetch a pretty penny on the 'Bay as well. I have definitely noticed the vintage touring bikes going for more money in the past year or so.
Blame Grant Petersen
Oh, I do. 
Randonneuring is a valid use case. I wonder why we insist on solving it in the classic way - can you really improve on the basics except for modern drivetrain and brakes?
My requirements list for such bike consists of the following:
comfortable, long (105cm) wheelbase, light frame, roadside reparable is a bounus
full fenders
big range gearing but not necessarily tightly spaced - I am riding mostly fixed anyway, so variable cadence is not an issue
I have build that with current materials and, surprisingly, the solution serves extremely well as a winter bike, too (with different wheels and fixed), I gad to relax the requirement of easy repair of the frame breakage but I got corrosion resistance as a bonus. Here is a spec of the winter version:
Titerra MTB frame
Nashbar cross/touring fork
Ambrosio 32 tubular rims wearing Tufo cross tires (30mm front, 32mm rear) both laced to bloodline DH 20mm front hubs, bolt on 17t cog
titec stem, generic carbon riser bars
xtr hydraulic front caliper mated to coda lever ( caliper was $30 new on eBay, lever was parts bin of the LBS)
Zipp compact carbon MTB cranks from 90’ ( that’s a gem, wasn’t that expensive at eBay)
Taiwaneese seatopst
Gipiemme Pluma saddle
full fenders (struts made of 4mm carbon fiber kite masts save over edit: half a pound of weight and cost $7 to make)
The result is 16 pounds winter-proof bike for less than $1000, convertible to even lighter randonneur for these long, summer rides with 1x9 drivetrain, lighter wheels and rack mounting to the brake bosses.
I’m confused.
I’m confused.[/quote]
Yeah, I don’t understand what any of his post is about.
I’m confused.[/quote]
The bikes in this thread are classic, often lugged steel frames. The world has moved on.
It’s just that usually when you ask a rhetorical question like that, the implied answer is “no”.
Q: Is pimping easy?
A: Oh hell yeah pimping’s easy!
Given that context, I understand your post a whole lot better now.
Can we see a pic of this wordily described bike?
no.
Well consider me refuted! Now pics or it didn’t happen.
Hell yes.
those poor fenders aren’t gonna do shit for your sopping wet feet, and those bars will give you hand troubles if you’re seriously randonneuring. I definitely would not rock those rims either. That said I love the shit out of this bike.
^^The exact reservations I had upon seeing that thing.^^
Everything else, pretty much flawless. Maybe some clips, but that’s it.