# it wouldn't be tarck without a dyno thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Bikes\ **Created:** [August 17, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747 "2018-08-17T23:13:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 107
**Author:** ![jimmythefly](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/jimmythefly/32/36079_2.png) [@jimmythefly](https://tarck.cc/u/jimmythefly)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 12:43am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2129 "2022-05-17T00:43:21Z")
Yeah, German regulations for lighting had something to do with regulating light output at a given speed, but that was when all the lights were incandescent. Because a 20" wheel and a 700c wheel rotate at different RPM for a given bike speed, they made two different hubs. Once LEDs were a thing folks wanted to use the smol lighter/less resistance dyno on 700c wheels and so they changed the name to “deluxe” because wheel size wasn’t the deciding factor it used to be. ---
**Author:** ![Andrew\_Andeson](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/andrew_andeson/32/144359_2.png) [@Andrew\_Andeson](https://tarck.cc/u/Andrew_Andeson)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 3:31am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2130 "2022-05-17T03:31:47Z")
Ymmv But i did find the single smol wheel schmidt i used with an edelux to be more unnoticeable than the single son28 that i ride all the time with a luxos u. Edit. I can tell when the u is on. The edelux was way more subtle. Based on that, the fact that i charge with a usb doodad, and the other fact that i have a battery light for slow speed grinding at 3am, today i would pick the smol son. ---
**Author:** ![EndpointBraden](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/endpointbraden/32/22101_2.png) [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 1:25pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2131 "2022-05-17T13:25:27Z")
Similar feels here. With a SON or SP hub, I have an extremely hard time telling when the Edelux 1 or 2 is on or off. ---
**Author:** ![bward1028](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/f08c70/32.png) [@bward1028](https://tarck.cc/u/bward1028)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 1:56pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2132 "2022-05-17T13:56:13Z")
I don’t get why you’d ever turn a dynamo light off ---
**Author:** ![LASER\_BEIGE](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/laser_beige/32/152421_2.png) [@LASER\_BEIGE](https://tarck.cc/u/LASER_BEIGE)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 2:56pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2133 "2022-05-17T14:56:58Z")
Incremental gains ---
**Author:** ![EndpointBraden](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/endpointbraden/32/22101_2.png) [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2134 "2022-05-17T15:00:54Z")
Yeah, long rural daylight rides are a thing. ---
**Author:** ![bward1028](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/f08c70/32.png) [@bward1028](https://tarck.cc/u/bward1028)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 3:04pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2135 "2022-05-17T15:04:25Z")
man, i feel like i’d still want head and tail lights for visibility on any road at any time of day, but you do you. ---
**Author:** ![EndpointBraden](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/endpointbraden/32/22101_2.png) [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2136 "2022-05-17T15:39:40Z")
Deal. ---
**Author:** ![LASER\_BEIGE](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/laser_beige/32/152421_2.png) [@LASER\_BEIGE](https://tarck.cc/u/LASER_BEIGE)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2137 "2022-05-17T16:04:40Z")
Redundant rear light and hi viz vest 💯 ---
**Author:** ![Orc](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/orc/32/2244_2.png) [@Orc](https://tarck.cc/u/Orc)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2138 "2022-05-17T16:42:58Z")
Which cars won’t notice either, alas! ---
**Author:** ![Andrew\_Andeson](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/andrew_andeson/32/144359_2.png) [@Andrew\_Andeson](https://tarck.cc/u/Andrew_Andeson)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 6:32pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2139 "2022-05-17T18:32:20Z")
> [@bward1028](#): > > man, i feel like i’d still want head and tail lights for visibility on any road at any time of day, but you do you. 4watts though, adds up over an all day ride. I always rando with a couple added blinkys for marginal gains, my joke is that cutting the generator lights and turning on the blinkys at 0500 is the randonneurs version of chucking your bottles. ---
**Author:** ![featherduster](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/featherduster/32/152369_2.png) [@featherduster](https://tarck.cc/u/featherduster)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2140 "2022-05-17T18:45:11Z")
i get a gnarly vibration up the fork with my shimona dyner on between 15 and 20 mph ---
**Author:** ![Emor\_please](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/emor_please/32/89_2.png) [@Emor\_please](https://tarck.cc/u/Emor_please)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2141 "2022-05-18T00:26:48Z")
I definitely turn my lights off in certain conditions, or I did when I used to ride for hours on an assortment of Washington backroads ---
**Author:** ![Bootus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/bootus/32/110971_2.png) [@Bootus](https://tarck.cc/u/Bootus)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 1:49am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2142 "2022-05-18T01:49:04Z")
I only turned off my light when that bike had a SP hub. That hub was a turd. ---
**Author:** ![LASER\_BEIGE](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/laser_beige/32/152421_2.png) [@LASER\_BEIGE](https://tarck.cc/u/LASER_BEIGE)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 2:04am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2143 "2022-05-18T02:04:46Z")
> [@Bootus](#): > > That hub was a turd ☹ I built up a couple shimanos and a sp and haven’t really put miles on them yet ---
**Author:** ![oogens](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/oogens/32/83087_2.png) [@oogens](https://tarck.cc/u/oogens)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 2:46am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2144 "2022-05-18T02:46:31Z")
Counterpoint I can’t really tell a difference between Shimano and sp hubs I’ve used ---
**Author:** ![Bootus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/bootus/32/110971_2.png) [@Bootus](https://tarck.cc/u/Bootus)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 3:04am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2145 "2022-05-18T03:04:35Z")
Maybe I got a bad hub since others seemed to have better experiences with them. All the Shimanos I’ve had have been great. ---
**Author:** ![Orc](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/orc/32/2244_2.png) [@Orc](https://tarck.cc/u/Orc)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 3:11am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2146 "2022-05-18T03:11:19Z")
Of the 3 SP hubs I’ve had 2 went bad within 5k miles. They were nice when they worked, though. ---
**Author:** ![blackholelectron](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/blackholelectron/32/4360_2.png) [@blackholelectron](https://tarck.cc/u/blackholelectron)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 3:49am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2147 "2022-05-18T03:49:11Z")
Yea I think the issue with SP isn’t performance while they work, it’s the quality control and/or weather sealing. Seems like SON has that stuff figured out a lot better. I killed an SP after a few years of winter abuse and have been riding another for a few more years and it’s holding up fine. ---
**Author:** ![EndpointBraden](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/endpointbraden/32/22101_2.png) [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 4:08am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747/2148 "2022-05-18T04:08:47Z")
I’ve gotta wonder if there is any correlation with bunk SP hubs and them changing factories a few years back. Most I’ve sold were after that point and I’ve never seen an issue first hand. [Previous page](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747.md?page=106) [Next page](https://tarck.cc/t/it-wouldnt-be-tarck-without-a-dyno-thread/21747.md?page=108)