# It's Electric! A thread for e-bike things. **URL:** \ **Category:** Bikes\ **Created:** [April 30, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808 "2020-04-30T20:41:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![BicyclePears](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/bicyclepears/32/1266_2.png) [@BicyclePears](https://tarck.cc/u/BicyclePears)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 8:11pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/522 "2022-11-19T20:11:25Z")
> **[Jones Plus LWB HD/e Ebike with BBSHD Motor and Smooth Tires Matte Blue](https://www.jonesmotorbikes.com/jones-lwb-hd-e-complete-e-bike-with-bbshd-motor-and-smooth-tires-matte-blue/)** > > This is the place for Jones bicycles with electric motors! why is this so much money. ---
**Author:** ![jame5on](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/jame5on/32/81952_2.png) [@jame5on](https://tarck.cc/u/jame5on)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 8:29pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/523 "2022-11-19T20:29:55Z")
He thinks he deserves a piece of your seamless delivery earnings ---
**Author:** ![bward1028](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/f08c70/32.png) [@bward1028](https://tarck.cc/u/bward1028)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 3:31pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/524 "2023-01-18T15:31:12Z")
i should probably splurge on the ebike specific chain for my mid-drive bike, yes? ---
**Author:** ![panda\_heavy\_metal](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/panda_heavy_metal/32/37770_2.png) [@panda\_heavy\_metal](https://tarck.cc/u/panda_heavy_metal)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2023, 2:39am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/525 "2023-01-19T02:39:50Z")
I’m using stock chains on my spicy curry, have had no dramas. But ymmv obvs. ---
**Author:** ![cheese](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/cheese/32/182_2.png) [@cheese](https://tarck.cc/u/cheese)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/526 "2023-02-16T13:53:45Z")
passed a store selling these > **[Buy your Angell S Cruiser Electric Bike](https://gobluemobility.com/bikes/electric-bike-angell-s-cruiser/)** > > The perfect bike for urban riders. The Angell S Cruiser is the ideal bike for those looking for a electric bike with a modern design and plenty of features. with a minimal rack option ![image](https://cdn.tarck.cc/original/3X/3/3/337023aa9714693587d875f7ee2034046bb1f9f8.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Jart\_Attack\_PhD](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/dr_jart_attack_phd/32/16324_2.png) [@Dr\_Jart\_Attack\_PhD](https://tarck.cc/u/Dr_Jart_Attack_PhD)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 12:58pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/527 "2023-04-13T12:58:13Z")
So I have seen a couple of times now people saying hub motors aren’t as good on hills as mid-drive. My guess would be that the hub drive doesn’t really benefit from the gearing in the rest of the drivetrain. But is it really that big of a concern? Only curious because I’d like to get another e-bike for my wife to ride in a year or so and most of the bikes I see at the price point I like are hub drive. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Stabby](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/master_stabby/32/39791_2.png) [@Master\_Stabby](https://tarck.cc/u/Master_Stabby)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 2:37pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/528 "2023-04-13T14:37:14Z")
Mid drive has a transmission. Hub drive has a single gear ratio. Suck it up and get a used bike. Also I laugh at your hills and have two mid drive bikes, but hub drive has been fine too when I have tried it. Mid-drive \> hub-drive \> regular bike for normies. ---
**Author:** ![Bootus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/bootus/32/110971_2.png) [@Bootus](https://tarck.cc/u/Bootus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 3:35pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/529 "2023-04-13T15:35:16Z")
My direct drive hub motor isn’t all that great on hills, but it sort of depends on which hills. Most of what I’ve had to deal with so far are steep and short and it’s enough to get the combined weight of me and the bike (280-ish lbs) up the hill. The more gradual stuff has been fine. Not sure if a geared hub motor would be any better since I’ve never ridden one. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Jart\_Attack\_PhD](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/dr_jart_attack_phd/32/16324_2.png) [@Dr\_Jart\_Attack\_PhD](https://tarck.cc/u/Dr_Jart_Attack_PhD)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/530 "2023-04-13T15:46:35Z")
So it’s not that hilly here, but we do have this very nice bike trail that has a very steep section that you use to drop down to the main trail. It’s not a big deal if you ride a lot but my wife rode up it once and has lived in fear of it ever since. So as much help there as possible ideally! And I have no problem shopping used for the record lol ---
**Author:** ![Jacobell](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/jacobell/32/895_2.png) [@Jacobell](https://tarck.cc/u/Jacobell)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 4:38pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/531 "2023-04-13T16:38:53Z")
> [@Dr\_Jart\_Attack\_PhD](#): > > … I have seen a couple of times now people saying hub motors aren’t as good on hills as mid-drive. My guess would be that the hub drive doesn’t really benefit from the gearing in the rest of the drivetrain. But is it really that big of a concern? Only curious because I’d like to get another e-bike for my wife to ride in a year or so and most of the bikes I see at the price point I like are hub drive. You pay for what you get with e-bikes. Hub drives are more accessible and have come a really long way in their power delivery, but will still suffer on steeper hills, reliability and range. Also anecdotally I think hub drive is garbage for cargo because my client has been destroying the gears inside of the rear hub motors by throttling up hills with heavy loads. Mr Cool Guy from Specialized says that hub drives have higher torque off the line, which is why their new cargo bike has one. I have been begging him on IG for some data on this but keep getting ignored. It was definitely just a price point decision. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Stabby](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/master_stabby/32/39791_2.png) [@Master\_Stabby](https://tarck.cc/u/Master_Stabby)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 4:47pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/532 "2023-04-13T16:47:18Z")
> [@Jacobell](#): > > hub drives have higher torque off the line _Confused how this works because physics says the opposite._ Yeah, sure Erik, that’s why cars are all direct drive. (I get that electric cars are typically direct drive but that has more to do with cost than off the line. Expensive electric cars that expect to do high speeds have transmissions) ---
**Author:** ![Bootus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/bootus/32/110971_2.png) [@Bootus](https://tarck.cc/u/Bootus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 4:58pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/533 "2023-04-13T16:58:46Z")
> [@Dr\_Jart\_Attack\_PhD](#): > > It’s not a big deal if you ride a lot but my wife rode up it once and has lived in fear of it ever since. So as much help there as possible ideally! My atmo here is to go with whatever will make it more comfortable and more likely for her to ride, even if there’s some extra cost involved (assuming a price difference isn’t a make or break thing). ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Stabby](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/master_stabby/32/39791_2.png) [@Master\_Stabby](https://tarck.cc/u/Master_Stabby)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 4:59pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/534 "2023-04-13T16:59:48Z")
Whatever bike she likes is the bike to buy. > **[Swoop](https://xtracycle.com/products/eswoop)** > > The Swoop’s low step-thru cargo bike frame makes it easy to climb aboard when loaded with kids or cargo. > **[RFA](https://xtracycle.com/products/rfa-2)** > > It’s a compact utility bike you can ride every day that fits your life right where it’s at. [https://www.rei.com/product/216029/tern-quick-haul-d8-electric-bike](https://www.rei.com/product/216029/tern-quick-haul-d8-electric-bike) [https://www.rei.com/product/187356/tern-gsd-s10-folding-electric-bike?sku=1873560001](https://www.rei.com/product/187356/tern-gsd-s10-folding-electric-bike?sku=1873560001) ---
**Author:** ![adem](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/adem/32/2176_2.png) [@adem](https://tarck.cc/u/adem)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/535 "2023-04-13T17:04:00Z")
Mavic getting in on the mid-drive ebike game? > **[Mavic superlight X-Tend e-bike motor system first ride: an e-road revolution?](https://road.cc/content/tech-news/first-ride-mavic-x-tend-ebike-motor-system-300529?amp)** > > Mavic's new compact motor weighs just 1.2kg, in a break with tradition from the legendary wheel and component specialists fitting completely normal Shimano cranksets into a BB motor is kinda cool ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Stabby](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/master_stabby/32/39791_2.png) [@Master\_Stabby](https://tarck.cc/u/Master_Stabby)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/536 "2023-04-13T17:04:33Z")
No, it’s SUPER cool. ---
**Author:** ![stumphumper](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/stumphumper/32/160851_2.png) [@stumphumper](https://tarck.cc/u/stumphumper)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/537 "2023-04-13T17:09:54Z")
this is like a return to the hidden bike motors that people suspected Cancellara of using way back ---
**Author:** ![lofarkas](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/lofarkas/32/36116_2.png) [@lofarkas](https://tarck.cc/u/lofarkas)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/538 "2023-04-13T17:12:01Z")
> [@Master\_Stabby](#): > > Expensive electric cars that expect to do high speeds have transmissions Some of them do but e.g. the tesla S plaid does 0-60 in 2 sec and on all the way up to 160+mph on direct drive. On a bike I don’t think gearing matters significantly. Electric motors have good torque from 0rpm all the way to oblivion. What matters is how powerful the motor is and whether the battery can provide enough amps. I don’t see why either hub motors or mid drive would inherently have an advantage. I thought I read somewhere that mid drive is usually better because it’s coupled with a crank sensor and provides power in proportion to your pedaling force, so it feels more natural and controllable. Is that true? ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Stabby](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/master_stabby/32/39791_2.png) [@Master\_Stabby](https://tarck.cc/u/Master_Stabby)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 5:15pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/539 "2023-04-13T17:15:41Z")
Yes. Mid drive is way better ime, but you can get used to anything. It’s pretty nice when starting from a stop uphill with a 200 kilo total mass to have some low gears. ---
**Author:** ![Bootus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/bootus/32/110971_2.png) [@Bootus](https://tarck.cc/u/Bootus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/540 "2023-04-13T17:41:58Z")
The Bosch mid-drives I rode like six years ago were really nice and their use of the sensor data felt very well implemented. It felt seamless in a way that my DIY hub drive bike with the same type of sensors does not. If I wasn’t so picky for probably no benefit I’d have just bought the Benno Boost back when it was $500 off due to a local university program and been done with it all. ---
**Author:** ![drwelby](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/drwelby/32/142_2.png) [@drwelby](https://tarck.cc/u/drwelby)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808/541 "2023-04-13T18:10:11Z")
Anyone seen/ridden the Cyc mid drive motors? [Previous page](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808.md?page=26) [Next page](https://tarck.cc/t/its-electric-a-thread-for-e-bike-things/23808.md?page=28)