# Miguel's fat-tired fopmobile **URL:** \ **Category:** Bikes\ **Created:** [December 6, 2013, 9:40pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493 "2013-12-06T21:40:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![frank\_doktor](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/frank_doktor/32/12_2.png) [@frank\_doktor](https://tarck.cc/u/frank_doktor)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/481 "2015-09-11T02:02:17Z")
So on MTBs, long travel suspension forks (and slacker head angles that accompany them) pushes front wheel out farther (more secure downhill). But so does more rake, which is why Fred was saying the ‘slacker’ HTAs on bikes people were discussing wouldn’t be that great with nerd fork, because they push it out a lot. ---
**Author:** ![NOVELTYNAME](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@NOVELTYNAME](https://tarck.cc/u/NOVELTYNAME)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 3:19am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/482 "2015-09-11T03:19:17Z")
So, optimization is different for different styles of riding: downhill vs porteur vs road vs trail etc Is there a “best” for each category or does that rest with the desire of each individual rider? ---
**Author:** ![frank\_doktor](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/frank_doktor/32/12_2.png) [@frank\_doktor](https://tarck.cc/u/frank_doktor)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 12:05pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/483 "2015-09-11T12:05:03Z")
I think part of the problem is that it goes up as the sizes go up. This makes sense because wheelbase does so, too. Then you figure that the backend (chainstay length) will remain constant throughout the run. Beyond that, it will get too nerdy for me. ---
**Author:** ![JUGE\_FREDD](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/juge_fredd/32/34623_2.png) [@JUGE\_FREDD](https://tarck.cc/u/JUGE_FREDD)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 9:09pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/484 "2015-09-11T21:09:21Z")
[quote=NOVELTYNAME]So, optimization is different for different styles of riding: downhill vs porteur vs road vs trail etc Is there a “best” for each category or does that rest with the desire of each individual rider?[/quote] you’re not going to find the explanation you’re looking for ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/patch/32/12713_2.png) [@Patch](https://tarck.cc/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/485 "2015-09-12T19:59:25Z")
THE FRAME IS THE FRAME ATMO ---
**Author:** ![Bahamontes](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/bahamontes/32/179_2.png) [@Bahamontes](https://tarck.cc/u/Bahamontes)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 3:14am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/486 "2015-09-13T03:14:49Z")
Seems relevant to this thread Is it ridiculous to replace the aluminum death frok on the Foprad with a crabon disc jawn? Need new front wheel anyway for dyno, and the elimination of a rim brake would surely help with bag/rack lyfe. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Winget](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@Larry\_Winget](https://tarck.cc/u/Larry_Winget)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 3:41am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/487 "2015-09-13T03:41:29Z")
[quote=Bahamontes]Seems relevant to this thread Is it ridiculous to replace the aluminum death frok on the Foprad with a crabon disc jawn? Need new front wheel anyway for dyno, and the elimination of a rim brake would surely help with bag/rack lyfe.[/quote] What mounting points for a rack is a carbon dick fork going to give you? ---
**Author:** ![NOVELTYNAME](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@NOVELTYNAME](https://tarck.cc/u/NOVELTYNAME)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 5:14am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/488 "2015-09-13T05:14:35Z")
Do they make non tapered carbon disc forks? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Winget](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@Larry\_Winget](https://tarck.cc/u/Larry_Winget)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 5:23am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/489 "2015-09-13T05:23:22Z")
Ritchey does. ---
**Author:** ![hiljentaa](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/7ba0ec/32.png) [@hiljentaa](https://tarck.cc/u/hiljentaa)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 11:35am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/490 "2015-09-13T11:35:45Z")
> [@tarckeemoon](#): > > Ritchey does. I really wish they’d do a comp version or something. The WCS is $400. ---
**Author:** ![JUGE\_FREDD](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/juge_fredd/32/34623_2.png) [@JUGE\_FREDD](https://tarck.cc/u/JUGE_FREDD)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/491 "2015-09-13T21:29:30Z")
[quote=tarckeemoon][quote=Bahamontes]Seems relevant to this thread Is it ridiculous to replace the aluminum death frok on the Foprad with a crabon disc jawn? Need new front wheel anyway for dyno, and the elimination of a rim brake would surely help with bag/rack lyfe.[/quote] What mounting points for a rack is a carbon dick fork going to give you?[/quote] ^THAT also except for that ritchey, every other carbon fork you could replace it with is mostly aluminum where it matters ---
**Author:** ![Bahamontes](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/bahamontes/32/179_2.png) [@Bahamontes](https://tarck.cc/u/Bahamontes)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/492 "2015-09-14T16:51:10Z")
Thanks fellas. You right. Still jelly of Heath’s Enve. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Winget](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@Larry\_Winget](https://tarck.cc/u/Larry_Winget)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/493 "2015-09-14T17:06:31Z")
At your size a rim brake will stop you fine. You’d need something drilled at the crown a canti frok, which can also be hard to come by with crabon. I like my EC90X a lot, but it the fork is not drilled through. It only has a threaded insert at the back of the crown. If you don’t plan to do fenders there’s a Kelly fork on Ebay right now with plenty of steerer. Just get the crown drilled out and mount whatever canti post rack. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Winget](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@Larry\_Winget](https://tarck.cc/u/Larry_Winget)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 5:09pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/494 "2015-09-14T17:09:24Z")
Sorry for that mess of a post. Typing on the phone sux. ---
**Author:** ![116](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/1/f6c823/32.png) [@116](https://tarck.cc/u/116)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/495 "2015-09-14T18:47:15Z")
Back to Mig’s front center wiki… Please don’t hold back if I’m wrong, but; Front center is dependent on top tube + head tube angle + fork rake, right? So for any bike/purpose/style of riding you would choose your reach, and then the HTA and rake that give the ride you want resulting in atmost a front center length? ---
**Author:** ![Endpoint](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/e19b73/32.png) [@Endpoint](https://tarck.cc/u/Endpoint)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/496 "2015-09-14T18:52:07Z")
Then get more nerdy by throwing stem length dithering into the batter. Fold in some extra fork esoteric fork dimensions. Sprinkle in copious braze ons and bake up a proper homercar ---
**Author:** ![eric\_ssucks](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/c0e974/32.png) [@eric\_ssucks](https://tarck.cc/u/eric_ssucks)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/497 "2015-09-14T19:05:28Z")
> [@Endpoint](#): > > Then get more nerdy by throwing stem length dithering into the batter. Fold in some extra fork esoteric fork dimensions. Sprinkle in copious braze ons and bake up a proper homercar On Today’s episode of “METAL KITCHEN” with Braden, we’re going to make a homercar… ---
**Author:** ![Endpoint](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/e19b73/32.png) [@Endpoint](https://tarck.cc/u/Endpoint)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/498 "2015-09-14T19:17:57Z")
It is tarck’s favorite recipe after all… ---
**Author:** ![eric\_ssucks](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/c0e974/32.png) [@eric\_ssucks](https://tarck.cc/u/eric_ssucks)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 7:47pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/499 "2015-09-14T19:47:45Z")
> [@Endpoint](#): > > It is tarck’s favorite recipe after all… There’s just so many ways to make it and it always is clearly a homercar. ---
**Author:** ![NOVELTYNAME](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@NOVELTYNAME](https://tarck.cc/u/NOVELTYNAME)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493/500 "2015-09-21T19:40:21Z")
heres where i need to type things and flush out ideas: desired forks for classic rando bikes with rim brakes are generally more boingy which is good for comfort disc brake forks are generally more stiff to handle the braking force is anyone making a boingy disc brake fork? [Previous page](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493.md?page=24) [Next page](https://tarck.cc/t/miguels-fat-tired-fopmobile/20493.md?page=26)