# New & Interesting Bike Campenaerts
**URL:** https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643
**Category:** Bikes
**Created:** [August 6, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643 "2018-08-06T20:28:13Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 165
### Author:  [@schultzor](https://tarck.cc/u/schultzor)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 3:17pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3292 "2021-10-19T15:17:20Z")
what I really want to know is what the eye-roll:curiosity-piqued ratio is for each one of these ridiculous reenactment products. Does he only need to find one sucker for every thousand people that see this nonsense in order to make a profit, or is it more like 5 victims for every thousand viewers.
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### Author:  [@jimmythefly](https://tarck.cc/u/jimmythefly)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3293 "2021-10-19T15:18:18Z")
That’s the thing that really bugs me about these stems. They’re so obviously re-enactment for re-enactment’s sake. Sure supple 650b and thin-walled tubing were things the olds knew about and Jan really did help re-introduce, and those things really are quite nice. But these stems? There’s no hidden performance justification.
Edit: AND they are ugly slabs of aluminum that don’t match anything else on the bike. The only thing close aesthetically is the crank arms, and those are much less awkward than the stem.
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### Author:  [@anon3547885](https://tarck.cc/u/anon3547885)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3294 "2021-10-19T15:29:42Z")
> [@jimmythefly](#):
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> dit: AND they are ugly slabs of aluminum that don’t match anything else on the bike. The only thing close aesthetically is the crank arms, and those are much less awkward than the stem.
Oh I think the stems are gorgeous but I agree with you that they have no functional value.
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### Author:  [@LASER\_BEIGE](https://tarck.cc/u/LASER_BEIGE)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3295 "2021-10-19T15:37:26Z")
> [@drandalls](#):
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> nine-axis milling
Wat
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### Author:  [@rancid\_burple](https://tarck.cc/u/rancid_burple)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3296 "2021-10-19T15:45:25Z")
It’s a thing. So are 12 axis machines.
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### Author:  [@Shamp](https://tarck.cc/u/Shamp)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 3:52pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3297 "2021-10-19T15:52:07Z")
> [@LASER\_BEIGE](#):
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> Capitalism just told me I’m not special
In the grand scheme of things none of us are
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### Author:  [@cheese](https://tarck.cc/u/cheese)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3298 "2021-10-19T15:56:27Z")
I am a die hard Alter stan and I still think Jan’s are fugly
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### Author:  [@Dickason\_Daniel](https://tarck.cc/u/Dickason_Daniel)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 4:20pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3299 "2021-10-19T16:20:57Z")
> [@LASER\_BEIGE](#):
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> Capitalism just told me I’m not special
Capitalism: You’re not special. You don’t get the treats.
Socialism: You’re not special. But neither is anyone else. So share.
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### Author:  [@drwelby](https://tarck.cc/u/drwelby)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3300 "2021-10-19T16:43:49Z")
mods plz change thread name to “New & Irritating Bike Components”
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### Author:  [@igor](https://tarck.cc/u/igor)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 8:47pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3301 "2021-10-19T20:47:34Z")
I hope Jan does well with the stems and accessories. We made several samples back in 2014. I’ll save my opinions.
> **[See you in Philly this weekend](https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2014/11/see-you-in-philly-this-weekend.html)**
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> This new Grand Cru stem is one of the prototypes you'll see at the Philly show. November 8th and 9th is the 5th Philly Bike Expo, a gro...
> **[Raw Camargue PTB (Porteur Trail Bike)](https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2016/05/raw-camargue-ptb-porteur-trail-bike.html)**
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> Neo-retro PTB (porteur trail bike) build. The PTB was built using a frame damaged during Casey's single track testing. Almost every part...
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### Author:  [@karl\_dandleton](https://tarck.cc/u/karl_dandleton)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 8:48pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3302 "2021-10-19T20:48:43Z")
but the machining was just too complex and you didn’t do it again?
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### Author:  [@igor](https://tarck.cc/u/igor)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 8:52pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3303 "2021-10-19T20:52:33Z")
The machining wasn’t too bad tbh. The polishing and finishing was pretty intense. We ultimately didn’t go for it since it was heavier, more complex, a lot more $$, and much more of a PITA to snake a drop bar through the clamp. I mean, it’s really, really, really hard to beat a nice reg 35$ threadless stem.
The integration of switches, etc… on Jan’s is pretty neat though. Personally, I just reach down and turn the light on while riding. Rear lights typically don’t have switches, so they turn on when current flows to the rear.
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### Author:  [@cheese](https://tarck.cc/u/cheese)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3304 "2021-10-19T20:56:53Z")
it seems like there’s a weight penalty for the RH design vs the Alter with the curved sides and midspan brace also, but that could also be a concession to manufacturing
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### Author:  [@JUGE\_FREDD](https://tarck.cc/u/JUGE_FREDD)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 10:17pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3305 "2021-10-19T22:17:22Z")
> [@anon3547885](#):
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> I would like to know what Jan’s justification is for making a stem without a removable face plate.
it’s ideal for this
> **[Rene Herse Decaleur for RH Aluminum Stem](https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/stems-decaleurs/rene-herse-decaleur-for-rh-aluminum-stem/)**
> **[Rene Herse Decaleur for RH 1 1/8" Steel Stem](https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/stems-decaleurs/decaleur/)**
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### Author:  [@rabbi](https://tarck.cc/u/rabbi)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3306 "2021-10-19T22:47:01Z")
that pricing just seems absurd.
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### Author:  [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 11:26pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3307 "2021-10-19T23:26:29Z")
Maybe to a troglodyte who can’t appreciate the _aesthetic_
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### Author:  [@anon24974279](https://tarck.cc/u/anon24974279)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 11:39pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3308 "2021-10-19T23:39:09Z")
I think you are all very special bois
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### Author:  [@bward1028](https://tarck.cc/u/bward1028)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 11:48pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3309 "2021-10-19T23:48:36Z")
the more of this bizarro stuff he puts out, the less i trust the tires.
edit: like i just dont trust tires from a guy who clearly cares so little for teeth
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### Author:  [@Mankato\_Pet\_Cremation\_LLC](https://tarck.cc/u/Mankato_Pet_Cremation_LLC)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2021, 11:58pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3310 "2021-10-19T23:58:53Z")
> [@BEEutiful\_Wednesday\_DDS](#):
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> it took me a while too, don’t feel bad. here is my attempt to draw it in powerpoint
I thought the tube was the tube
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### Author:  [@karl\_dandleton](https://tarck.cc/u/karl_dandleton)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2021, 12:01am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/new-interesting-bike-campenaerts/21643/3311 "2021-10-20T00:01:22Z")
> [@rabbi](#):
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> that pricing just seems absurd.
yeah but they made it for you. to save you some trouble.
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