I’m thinkin’ I’m gonna get one of deez
I like threaded forks! I know how high I want my bars to be, and how far away, and which bars I want to use. And a quill stem is way nicer & cleaner looking than 99% of threadless stems I’ve seen. Works good, looks good, why not?
Honestly I think much of the threaded fork hate on Tarckbike comes from people who were traumatized switching from track drops to bullhorns to risers to whatever and having to wrap / re-wrap their bars each time. I do not believe this is as much of an issue on road bikes where you change the bars much, much less frequently.[/quote]
actually it’s because threaded headsets suck and are impossible to set up perfectly. they always seem to be less than perfect and it is tough to find a cartridge version, then if you do it probably won’t work b/c of the stack height. any idiot can set up a threadless cartridge headset properly and then ignore it for a few thousand miles at least.[/quote]
I dunno, between my wife and I, we have 3 bikes with threaded headsets and they all work fine and get very little if any adjustment. I don’t know if they are “perfect”, but the bikes certainly ride just fine…
P.S., your animated gif sig wins the animated gif sig contest for sure. Been lolling all week![/quote]
yeah, they work, but mine personally bugs the hell out of me. i got a new ritchey logic for my kilo and it was either so tight it binded, or loose enough where there was a bit of play. i took it apart and put it together like 3 times, and had someone else at the shop try to help. i actually had fewer probs with the dumpstered schwinn headset that was previously on it (still not great).
p.s. i’m glad someone enjoys it - i certainly did when i first saw it.[/quote]
those ritchey logic headsets look really cheaply made. se drafts and other sub-$300 bikes ship with Ritchey headsets. for a name-brand part, they are bottom of the barrel.
try a stronglight or decent level shimano, or old suntour. hell, campy might even make a decent one.
I like threaded forks! I know how high I want my bars to be, and how far away, and which bars I want to use. And a quill stem is way nicer & cleaner looking than 99% of threadless stems I’ve seen. Works good, looks good, why not?
Honestly I think much of the threaded fork hate on Tarckbike comes from people who were traumatized switching from track drops to bullhorns to risers to whatever and having to wrap / re-wrap their bars each time. I do not believe this is as much of an issue on road bikes where you change the bars much, much less frequently.[/quote]
actually it’s because threaded headsets suck and are impossible to set up perfectly. they always seem to be less than perfect and it is tough to find a cartridge version, then if you do it probably won’t work b/c of the stack height. any idiot can set up a threadless cartridge headset properly and then ignore it for a few thousand miles at least.[/quote]
Any idiot can set up a threaded headset perfectly without too much more difficulty than a threadless one.
Also, saying you don’t like threaded headsets after using a Ritchey Logic and a dumpstered Schwinn is like saying that you don’t like bikes after riding a huffy.
That said, threaded headsets are definitely an antiquated and absurdly overcomplicated way to do things, compared to threadless setups. I can’t remember who, but someone had invented what was essentially a threadless headset/fork/stem setup many many years before Aheadset. It was in a book about obscure bike parts throughout the history of the bicycle that I’m sure others on this forum have.
I won’t say I hate threaded headsets, as I’ve never had trouble with one aside form cheap junk (which we all know is the case for anything), but for convenience/modernity sake I’d rather have a 1 1/8" threadless set up on a bike I plan on spending more than $300 for.
I went with (well, more like ‘didn’t mind/ thought made more sense’) threaded on the break-away travel bike cos seemed like easier way to remove bars/stem for packing and set back up without having to mess with bar angle/preload; it’s just the one bolt gets loosened a little.
i’m really indifferent to threaded or threadless. i haz both on bikes.
one downfall with threadless, i found bike that when setup for me…doesn’t even need spacers. if i cut fork so that i don’t need spacers that’s no good for resale coz most guys gonna want atleast a few cm’s to move spacers to adjust bar height.
I have both as well. At the end of the day, as long as it works it doesn’t matter.
Also, just leave a couple of spacers on top of your stem. Looks lame, but allows better resale.
I have many bikes with both. I much prefer threadless for the better choice of stems and ease of changing bars/stems, and overall fit. On many of my threaded bikes I am using a threadless to threaded adapter.
There are way more options for threadless headsets as well. The supply of decent threaded 1" headsets are getting lower. At least Cane Creek introduced their high end headsets in 1" threaded and threadless to compete with Chris King.
Solution to resale issue: Don’t get so concerned about resale. Why buy a bike if one of your main concerns is how you are going to get rid of it?
Threaded headsets are nice in that tall quill stems look better than 4" of spacers and a 30 degree threadless stem. I was thinking about a Soma mixte, but for me to ride the 58cm size with mustache bars, I’d have to do just that, with the threadless fork.
Cheap threaded headsets are shit. Nice ones are awesome. If it doesn’t have cartridge bearings, it is more difficult to set up and more easily damaged than threadless systems (though loose-ball threadless headsets are easy to damage as well). Campy still makes a record headset that costs about $90. I’ve got one and it is smoother and spins more freely than my chris king no threadset. Cartridge bearing threaded headsets are pretty easy to adjust, but increasingly difficult to find. Hawley and QBP stopped carrying the 105 headset which used to be awesome because it was pretty inexpensive ($40 I think) and worked great. They still have the IRD Technoglide, but it costs about $70.
It was a Maury from the 1940s, pp. 62-63 of The Golden Age of Handbuilt Bicycles: Craftsmanship, Elegance and Function by Jan Heine and Jean-Pierre Praderes.
FYI, names like “Alex Singer” and “Rene Herse” shouldn’t be considered obscure atmo.
FTFM.
Unless you’re flipping it, don’t buy it if the only thing you can think about when you look at it, is how much money you might someday get for it. Where’s the passion, brah?
I bought a bike to flip and decided on keeping it after there was almost no interest at all for it. (got a half bite after i decided to keep it, so fuck his life)
because of that I still won’t cut my fork. I will someday, maybe in the spring…
Threaded has benefits, so much so that I get annoyed when I have to fuck with a threadless setup to adjust things. I like threadless though because I’m a burly motherfucker and I don’t like stem flex. Also, removable faceplate. On a bike like this, or any other kind of comfort bike, it’s not that much of an issue. I have a threaded setup on my Allez that’s nice.
It was a Maury from the 1940s, pp. 62-63 of The Golden Age of Handbuilt Bicycles: Craftsmanship, Elegance and Function by Jan Heine and Jean-Pierre Praderes.
FYI, names like “Alex Singer” and “Rene Herse” shouldn’t be considered obscure atmo.[/quote]
That wasn’t the book, but that might have been part and manufacturer what I was talking about.
Singer and Herse are not new names to me.
It was a Maury from the 1940s, pp. 62-63 of The Golden Age of Handbuilt Bicycles: Craftsmanship, Elegance and Function by Jan Heine and Jean-Pierre Praderes.
FYI, names like “Alex Singer” and “Rene Herse” shouldn’t be considered obscure atmo.[/quote]
That wasn’t the book, but that might have been part and manufacturer what I was talking about.
Singer and Herse are not new names to me.[/quote]
Wait - you’re saying there’s two books about old bike parts? 
[quote=Scheezler]
those ritchey logic headsets look really cheaply made. se drafts and other sub-$300 bikes ship with Ritchey headsets. for a name-brand part, they are bottom of the barrel.[/quote]
I had a Ritchey Logic threadless headset on my Cross Check when I bought it. It was kind of picky about preload, which wasn’t a huge deal. What was a huge deal, however, was the fact that the bottom bearings started rusting within 2-3 months. Their WCS line might be good, but I just don’t trust the Logic line in general.
[quote=crushmauldestroy][quote=Scheezler]
those ritchey logic headsets look really cheaply made. se drafts and other sub-$300 bikes ship with Ritchey headsets. for a name-brand part, they are bottom of the barrel.[/quote]
I had a Ritchey Logic threadless headset on my Cross Check when I bought it. It was kind of picky about preload, which wasn’t a huge deal. What was a huge deal, however, was the fact that the bottom bearings started rusting within 2-3 months. Their WCS line might be good, but I just don’t trust the Logic line in general.[/quote]
There’s really no need to have this discussion. Ritchey headsets are pretty much all shit. If it’s threaded you need, CK has the 2-nut and grip nut, Cane Creek has a few nice ones, and then there’s some other more esoteric bits out there that are good. VO has a selection of decent threaded headsets.
For threadless, I honestly believe the Cane Creek design is superior to CK, but CK is prettier.
[quote=bearpie]
For threadless, I honestly believe the Cane Creek design is superior to CK, but CK is prettier.[/quote]
the 110 is superior in every way atmo
plus i dig the interlok spacers too.
[quote=bearpie][quote=crushmauldestroy][quote=Scheezler]
those ritchey logic headsets look really cheaply made. se drafts and other sub-$300 bikes ship with Ritchey headsets. for a name-brand part, they are bottom of the barrel.[/quote]
I had a Ritchey Logic threadless headset on my Cross Check when I bought it. It was kind of picky about preload, which wasn’t a huge deal. What was a huge deal, however, was the fact that the bottom bearings started rusting within 2-3 months. Their WCS line might be good, but I just don’t trust the Logic line in general.[/quote]
There’s really no need to have this discussion. Ritchey headsets are pretty much all shit. If it’s threaded you need, CK has the 2-nut and grip nut, Cane Creek has a few nice ones, and then there’s some other more esoteric bits out there that are good. VO has a selection of decent threaded headsets.
For threadless, I honestly believe the Cane Creek design is superior to CK, but CK is prettier.[/quote]
we were just rappin’ about headsets, maaan.
[quote=Cy Trivialities][quote=bearpie]
For threadless, I honestly believe the Cane Creek design is superior to CK, but CK is prettier.[/quote]
the 110 is superior in every way atmo
plus i dig the interlok spacers too.[/quote]
+1 CC 100 or 110 headsets for the win. The 100 version (same parts as the 110, but not as highly polished) comes in 1 1/8" and 1" threaded and threadless as well. I have a silver 100 1" threaded headset on a bike and it looks like any vintage headset, but great seals and cartridge bearings.