# Souplesse Casings and Bike Soup - The Tire Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Bikes\ **Created:** [August 1, 2018, 11:55am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52 "2018-08-01T11:55:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![todd\_bonzalez](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/todd_bonzalez/32/23476_2.png) [@todd\_bonzalez](https://tarck.cc/u/todd_bonzalez)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 10:51pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/421 "2018-10-03T22:51:41Z")
> [@sparksflyhigh](#): > > Jan mothballed their industry discount program It’s almost like he’s on a quest to be the most unlikeable person in the industry. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Stabby](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/master_stabby/32/39791_2.png) [@Master\_Stabby](https://tarck.cc/u/Master_Stabby)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 11:52pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/422 "2018-10-03T23:52:34Z")
> [@todd\_bonzalez](#): > > It’s almost like he’s on a quest to be the most unlikeable person in the industry It’s almost like he’s got a small business and he’d like to stay in business. ---
**Author:** ![Eddbread](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Eddbread](https://tarck.cc/u/Eddbread)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 12:33am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/423 "2018-10-04T00:33:05Z")
> [@sparksflyhigh](#): > > Anyone have any comparison of the suppleness/rolling resistance of either the schwalbe G-one 650b x 50mm (the one with snakeskin/v-guard) or the teravail rampart 650b x 47mm to the OG Horizons or the Switchback hill? I just discovered Jan mothballed their industry discount program and I have little interest in spending $180 for a pair of bike tires, so I’m trying to get as close to that level of suppleness as possible without breaking the bank. The G-One in that size unfortunately has the snakeskin, but snakeskin is relatively supple and I expect it to be better than the panaracer stuff they put in the Gravelking 48. The Horizon is a little too brick like, and the panaracer is worse, because they moved all the stiffness from the tread to the sidewall. It seems like all the manufacturers agreed to only make stiff commuter tires in this category about 500g+. Supposedly the teravail rampart doesn’t have the puncture belt like the panaracer, but it still weighs as much as the Horizon, so I’m curious where they’re putting all that weight. Talk me back from the edge before I replace my horizons with liteskin Thunder burts and shave all the side knobs off Ok I’m running G-ONE BITE in 54-584 SnakeSkin (550 g), at around 25 psi in the front and 30 psi in the rear. So far it’s pretty supple (the only references I have are Horizons in 47 but tubed and ThunderBurts but those wore down really quickly) 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♂️ Feeeels? supple ---
**Author:** ![JUGE\_FREDD](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/juge_fredd/32/34623_2.png) [@JUGE\_FREDD](https://tarck.cc/u/JUGE_FREDD)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 12:54am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/424 "2018-10-04T00:54:46Z")
> [@todd\_bonzalez](#): > > It’s almost like he’s on a quest to be the most unlikeable person in the industry. iirc the “bq pro team” deal was like 15% and still charged sales tax and shipping so the special discount netted you MSRP ---
**Author:** ![EndpointBraden](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/endpointbraden/32/22101_2.png) [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 1:31am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/425 "2018-10-04T01:31:59Z")
> [@todd\_bonzalez](#): > > > [@sparksflyhigh](#): > > > > Jan mothballed their industry discount program > > It’s almost like he’s on a quest to be the most unlikeable person in the industry. My dealer account still works. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Jart\_Attack\_PhD](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/dr_jart_attack_phd/32/16324_2.png) [@Dr\_Jart\_Attack\_PhD](https://tarck.cc/u/Dr_Jart_Attack_PhD)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 2:07am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/426 "2018-10-04T02:07:10Z")
So I had some stans in the tube of a tire that had a slow leak. It did get me home, didn’t stop the leak entirely, but did make it a lot easier to find that staple! ---
**Author:** ![russ](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/russ/32/127_2.png) [@russ](https://tarck.cc/u/russ)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/427 "2018-10-04T02:16:05Z")
> [@Master\_Stabby](#): > > It’s almost like he’s got a small business and he’d like to stay in business. The way to do that is to have a product worth buying there are some tires I’d pay retail for… his are not them ATMO ---
**Author:** ![sparksflyhigh](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/sparksflyhigh/32/661_2.png) [@sparksflyhigh](https://tarck.cc/u/sparksflyhigh)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/428 "2018-10-04T16:37:26Z")
So they feel faster than the Thunder burt? Was it the snakeskin or the liteskin burt? ---
**Author:** ![jdsmooth](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/jdsmooth/32/610_2.png) [@jdsmooth](https://tarck.cc/u/jdsmooth)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/429 "2018-10-04T16:58:52Z")
I rode the Schwalbe Big One snakeboot 60-584 tires heavily this year; I think they ported that model into the G-One range. Nice, fast-rolling tires. After riding Terrene Elwoods and SBHs, they did not feel stiff at all. I did have issues with a dog biting through one and some slate shards stabbing up the other. I like Schwalbe tires in general and probably won’t buy Compass tires again. Can’t trust those sidewalls. ---
**Author:** ![Eddbread](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Eddbread](https://tarck.cc/u/Eddbread)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/430 "2018-10-04T23:30:21Z")
> [@sparksflyhigh](#): > > So they feel faster than the Thunder burt? Was it the snakeskin or the liteskin burt? Feels a little faster than TB on pavement (definitely better grip), I was using the snakeskin butt. ---
**Author:** ![ThurberMingus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/thurbermingus/32/165_2.png) [@ThurberMingus](https://tarck.cc/u/ThurberMingus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/431 "2018-10-05T00:00:02Z")
You should check out the Teravail Ramparts. Don’t seem as turdly as the Horizons are reported to be. @Rent-to-own-Faxmachine and myself have been enjoying them for a while. ---
**Author:** ![tehschkott](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/tehschkott/32/14426_2.png) [@tehschkott](https://tarck.cc/u/tehschkott)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/432 "2018-10-05T00:44:19Z")
The Horizons are reported to be turdly? I feel like I’ve had a shitload of Horizons and they’ve been great. ---
**Author:** ![tehschkott](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/tehschkott/32/14426_2.png) [@tehschkott](https://tarck.cc/u/tehschkott)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 12:47am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/433 "2018-10-05T00:47:50Z")
Price is right and they look legit, gotta admit. Still… > **[Teravail Rampart Light & Supple TR Road Plus Tire](https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=90390)** > > Teravail Rampart Light & Supple TR Road Plus Tire :: Available in Black or Tan Sidewall :: From $55.00 :: Teravail 27.5 Inch (650b) Tires ---
**Author:** ![ThurberMingus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/thurbermingus/32/165_2.png) [@ThurberMingus](https://tarck.cc/u/ThurberMingus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 12:50am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/434 "2018-10-05T00:50:00Z")
I’ve heard mixed reports of the Horizons. Namely that the more recent ones are pretty thicc and turdly. Haven’t used a pair myself, but I will when my Teravails wear out. ---
**Author:** ![todd\_bonzalez](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/todd_bonzalez/32/23476_2.png) [@todd\_bonzalez](https://tarck.cc/u/todd_bonzalez)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/435 "2018-10-05T03:59:18Z")
I had one of the first pairs that WTB shipped, and they were noticeably lighter than the followup pair. They also shrank in size and got oranger. That said, the new ones are still fine. I ride them everywhere, every single day, and I’ve never flatted on them. They barely show any wear. There might be a more _supple_ option out there, but I can pro deal these and they last forever, so I don’t really care. But I’ll probably try Panaracer next, just to do something different. ---
**Author:** ![karl\_dandleton](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/karl_dandleton/32/177_2.png) [@karl\_dandleton](https://tarck.cc/u/karl_dandleton)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 11:30am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/436 "2018-10-05T11:30:01Z")
i just got the gravelkings in a 650x48xblack and after one ride i think i like them better than horizons (older, true size, less orange). they feel a bit faster, but i feel drastically different from day to day so that remains to be seen. so far i think it’s what i want- more sidewall, less tread, but i’m not 100% sold on S U P P L lyfe- i feel like when my tubeless tires are too supple, i have to run the pressure too high ---
**Author:** ![Rent-to-own-Faxmachine](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/rent-to-own-faxmachine/32/80299_2.png) [@Rent-to-own-Faxmachine](https://tarck.cc/u/Rent-to-own-Faxmachine)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/437 "2018-10-05T13:30:32Z")
> [@karl\_dandleton](#): > > i feel like when my tubeless tires are too supple, i have to run the pressure too high How wide are your rims? I ask because I find that wider rims allow for lower pressures that would normally result in squirm on narrower setups. ---
**Author:** ![karl\_dandleton](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/karl_dandleton/32/177_2.png) [@karl\_dandleton](https://tarck.cc/u/karl_dandleton)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/438 "2018-10-05T13:41:42Z")
i’m running i23 KOMs ---
**Author:** ![Rent-to-own-Faxmachine](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/rent-to-own-faxmachine/32/80299_2.png) [@Rent-to-own-Faxmachine](https://tarck.cc/u/Rent-to-own-Faxmachine)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/439 "2018-10-05T14:21:34Z")
> [@karl\_dandleton](#): > > i’m running i23 KOMs That’s a good size. I’m running i28 rims and find that I can run lower pressure with less squirm or self-steer. ---
**Author:** ![Rusty\_Piton](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/rusty_piton/32/579_2.png) [@Rusty\_Piton](https://tarck.cc/u/Rusty_Piton)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/440 "2018-10-05T14:24:56Z")
> [@jdsmooth](#): > > I did have issues with a dog biting through one OK, tell this story now. [Previous page](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52.md?page=21) [Next page](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52.md?page=23)