# Souplesse Casings and Bike Soup - The Tire Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Bikes\ **Created:** [August 1, 2018, 11:55am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52 "2018-08-01T11:55:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 222
**Author:** ![Unknown.Gnome](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/unknown.gnome/32/134778_2.png) [@Unknown.Gnome](https://tarck.cc/u/Unknown.Gnome)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 4:55am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4434 "2022-01-03T04:55:31Z")
IRC Bokens then tell me if they’re good. ---
**Author:** ![EndpointBraden](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/endpointbraden/32/22101_2.png) [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 4:59am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4435 "2022-01-03T04:59:15Z")
Cush Core gravel my dude. ---
**Author:** ![rabbi](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/rabbi/32/573_2.png) [@rabbi](https://tarck.cc/u/rabbi)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 4:43pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4436 "2022-01-03T16:43:29Z")
I would think the boken doublecross would be better suited for what I need it for. ---
**Author:** ![halbritt](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/f17d59/32.png) [@halbritt](https://tarck.cc/u/halbritt)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2022, 7:04pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4437 "2022-01-04T19:04:05Z")
Here’s a neat article on velonews on the topic of rolling resistance: > **[Technical FAQ: Tire rolling-resistance testing methodology and verification](https://www.velonews.com/gear/technical-faq-tire-rolling-resistance-testing-methodology-and-verification/)** > > Cycling wheel and tire experts offer opinions about and insights into tire testing. Discusses breakpoint pressure at length. ---
**Author:** ![Perlhammered](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/perlhammered/32/4493_2.png) [@Perlhammered](https://tarck.cc/u/Perlhammered)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4438 "2022-01-05T17:30:13Z")
Late pass, but installed some thunderbutts on my Rock Lobster and put a big enough hole in the front that it needed a pair of plugs to seal up. Has held air for a few weeks now, should probably throw a bunch of glue or something on the plugs to make sure they hold. Brand new tires smdh ---
**Author:** ![anon3547885](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ecccb3/32.png) [@anon3547885](https://tarck.cc/u/anon3547885)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4439 "2022-01-05T18:08:48Z")
> these data were produced with athletes all having very low body fat percentage and therefore, lower hysteresis than most normal people! Now there’s something I’ve never thought about I am currently dieting to reduce my rolling resistance ---
**Author:** ![halbritt](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/f17d59/32.png) [@halbritt](https://tarck.cc/u/halbritt)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4440 "2022-01-05T18:21:30Z")
> [@anon3547885](#): > > I am currently dieting to reduce my rolling resistance Nope, that’s not how it works. It’ll reduce your hysteresis which changes the break point. Who knows whether that goes up or down? Up, I’m guessing. Now I’m trying to imagine the resonant frequency of someone’s fat deposits and how that influences things. Not something I thought I’d ever be considering. Ultimately, though, there’s a coefficient of friction at play which is influenced by the weight of the system. Also the potential reduction in frontal area will yield an aero benefit. ---
**Author:** ![anon3547885](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ecccb3/32.png) [@anon3547885](https://tarck.cc/u/anon3547885)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 6:34pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4441 "2022-01-05T18:34:25Z")
Yes I understand what you are saying but at a constant pressure more body fat = more RR I would think that higher body fat would reduce your tire pressure breakpoint. Lower pressure less body jiggling. ---
**Author:** ![turpentine](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/turpentine/32/51348_2.png) [@turpentine](https://tarck.cc/u/turpentine)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 6:39pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4442 "2022-01-05T18:39:36Z")
does rim deflection play a part? frame material? how does the resonance of jiggly booties make higher pressure less good? ---
**Author:** ![BEEutiful\_Wednesday\_DDS](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/beeutiful_wednesday_dds/32/40914_2.png) [@BEEutiful\_Wednesday\_DDS](https://tarck.cc/u/BEEutiful_Wednesday_DDS)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4443 "2022-01-05T18:40:38Z")
Gives a new meaning to the phrase “turdly butts” ---
**Author:** ![chenghiz](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/chenghiz/32/10648_2.png) [@chenghiz](https://tarck.cc/u/chenghiz)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 11:38pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4444 "2022-01-05T23:38:07Z")
Do runnyarse extralite tubeless tires still have a bad rep? Buddy of mine has them blowing off his WTB rims at an admittedly too-high pressure of 50 psi. ---
**Author:** ![cheese](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/cheese/32/182_2.png) [@cheese](https://tarck.cc/u/cheese)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 12:37am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4445 "2022-01-06T00:37:24Z")
I would think the resonance of anyone’s body regardless of size/density is much less impactful and consistent than the resonance of the bike as a system, although the latter may experience damping effects that vary with rider weight ---
**Author:** ![Crustradamus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/crustradamus/32/7841_2.png) [@Crustradamus](https://tarck.cc/u/Crustradamus)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 12:39am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4446 "2022-01-06T00:39:57Z")
yes. everything about this is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![EndpointBraden](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/endpointbraden/32/22101_2.png) [@EndpointBraden](https://tarck.cc/u/EndpointBraden)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 12:44am UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4447 "2022-01-06T00:44:07Z")
No tubeless gravel/all road tire of any brand should blow off a rim at 50psi. I don’t give a shit what the intended use is. Blowoffs are caused by either bad design or bad QC (assuming the tire was seated correctly, of course), sometimes on the part of the rim manufacturer, but usually the fault of the tire manufacturer. Also I bet the max psi stamped into the rubber is higher. A small percentage of nerds know that’s not actually a correct rating but there it is, stamped into the sidewall where the end sheet can easily read it. ---
**Author:** ![anon3547885](https://static.tarck.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ecccb3/32.png) [@anon3547885](https://tarck.cc/u/anon3547885)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4448 "2022-01-06T13:54:18Z")
I used to be a Runny enthusiast but they truly do suck in multiple ways and, as far as I can see from the available data, they have no RR advantages over other tires and they certainly aren’t more durable then other tires. So the question is why anyone would ever use a poorly quality controlled, average RR, poor durability tire that is very difficult to install tubeless. ---
**Author:** ![Crustradamus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/crustradamus/32/7841_2.png) [@Crustradamus](https://tarck.cc/u/Crustradamus)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 2:35pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4449 "2022-01-06T14:35:24Z")
I’ve long abandoned the idea that rolling resistance means much of anything. Yeah you don’t want a turd on those charts, but I think a lot of it is correlation. On the other hand I do think that weight plays a large part in how a tire will feel. And reens rule the weight category. Jan’s tires also have paper thin sidewalls, which is what makes them suck at so many things except how goooood they feel. Note: I haven’t bought tires in like 3 years. ---
**Author:** ![iwillbe](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/iwillbe/32/1896_2.png) [@iwillbe](https://tarck.cc/u/iwillbe)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4450 "2022-01-06T15:00:37Z")
Like any variable in isolation, weight or rolling resistance can definitely be graphed and all that, and the resulting presentation will probably make some tires look way better than others. I suspect that if you’re riding at a steady pace on a smooth surface, a heavy-ish tire with low rolling resistance will feel pretty good, but if you’re riding on mixed surfaces with a lot of stop/start and short steep climbs, low weight might contribute more to your opinion of the tire. But if you’re riding mixed surface, you probably want a tire with some tread pattern, so it starts to get a little apples and oranges, right? And of course with RH tires, it’s worth considering how much they weigh out of the box vs once they’ve had their mandatory bucket of sealant run through them. ---
**Author:** ![Shiny\_squid\_green](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/shiny_squid_green/32/1981_2.png) [@Shiny\_squid\_green](https://tarck.cc/u/Shiny_squid_green)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4451 "2022-01-06T15:12:58Z")
I enjoy skidding and being a general goof too much to run that $$$ of tires on my bikes. ---
**Author:** ![featherduster](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/featherduster/32/152369_2.png) [@featherduster](https://tarck.cc/u/featherduster)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4452 "2022-01-06T15:55:07Z")
tube in my reens an they ride so nice i just keep throwing money at the guy ---
**Author:** ![Crustradamus](https://static.tarck.cc/user_avatar/tarck.cc/crustradamus/32/7841_2.png) [@Crustradamus](https://tarck.cc/u/Crustradamus)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52/4453 "2022-01-06T16:15:38Z")
> [@iwillbe](#): > > But if you’re riding mixed surface, you probably want a tire with some tread pattern, so it starts to get a little apples and oranges, right? Yeah when it comes to knobby tires I almost completely disregard weight and look at tread pattern, compound, sidewall behavior. For slicks though… I’ll die on reens (because they will explode at an inopportune moment–though that somehow hasn’t happened over like a decade of riding them). Sealant seems to not make a big difference in feel, either because I’ve slowly made mine weigh more over a long period of time or because most of the special sauce is the paper-thin sidewalls and the sealant mostly pools in the tread. [Previous page](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52.md?page=221) [Next page](https://tarck.cc/t/souplesse-casings-and-bike-soup-the-tire-thread/52.md?page=223)