How many miles on the tires already? 5000 is like what, a quarter of the lifespan?
My point is that they used a piece of textile to clad the bead on a tire when, as far as I know, it is generally known to clad the textile portion of a tire (the casing) in rubber to protect it. It constitutes poor design shartmo. I think itās fair to say that literally no manufacturer recommends that tubeless tires be thrown away the first time the bead unseals from the rim. I doubt that anyone, including you and the people who design the tires, observes that practice
I donāt keep close track of mileage. Probably not quite 5000
One time, no of course not. But removing and installing a tubeless tire a dozen times constitutes misuse in my opinion. I would never do that with any customer or personal tire and it is asking for trouble.
I personally agree that I would never expect a tire to be remountable a dozen times
But on the other hand we had a tire we used for tubeless rim blowoff testing at T and that tire had to have been mounted 50+ times before it was done
And the people who did that were not what I would call careful
And what about a tube tire? My complaint here has nothing to do with the fact that the tireās ability or lack thereof to be set up tubeless. If I put a tube in it, it would push through the tear left by the peeled-back canvas and blow out, which actually did happen on the other Horizon. Whether you use them with tubes or without, the process of inflating the tire causes the top edge of this canvas strip to rub on the rim hook, which apparently causes it to eventually unpeel completely from the tire and leave a weak spot in the casing immediately above the bead. Iāve seen bead failures, but never seen this peeling-off failure mode on a conventional tire with a rubber-clad bead. So far nobody seems interested in addressing my complaint (the canvas) and prefers to talk past it about how many times the tire was removed or installed. Sure, if I had never taken the tire off, it would probably still be fine. My point is that it would also still be fine, even the way its been treated, if they used rubber instead of canvas to protect the bead.
OIām not addressing it because Iāve sold over 200 WTB tires that use that same design and Iāve seen literally one that the tape began to shift and even in that case it didnāt fail (that tire was also pretty dry rotten from use and consistent exposure to sun where the bike was typically locked).
It seems that your experience is an outlier at best and likely brought on by use that falls outside what is typical or intended for the product.
I donāt think your specific experience suggests a design flaw.
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Want. 76g lighter than current tubeless pdx. 240tpi casing. Tan wall. Please and thank you.
AND theyāre finally releasing the tubeless LAS. I think Iām more excited about that, but at least a month till those come through.
woah Tufo is graduating from garden hoses to tubeless clinchers
I see that working out
got the Schwalbe G-one speed, 30mm. they seem legit, will glue one up tonight maybe.
the casing is nice, and the treadband seems nice (less stiff than the corsa control if you squish it with moderate psi in it), will probably ride well.
there is a little bumpiness in the casing around the valvestem, thatās pretty normal with tubs iāve found. doubt it will be felt while riding.
i put two vittoria corsa control on my bike, killed the treadband on one in 15 miles. the treadband on those is pretty stiff but it seemed like it would last a looooooong time, was thinking, oh a tuff tire that will last and will ride ok once i get the air pressure right. 15 miles in and the rear felt like it has a rock in the rim. i did really brutalize that tire on some bad edges of transition from ground down pavement to concrete sidewalksā¦but that what those tires are supposed to be made forā¦
for the blowout price of the S-one schwalbe, i might order some of those too, especially if they are the same as the G-one just branded differently.
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Are they also the ones who announced the tubeless tubulars just now at Eurobike?
LOL Hutchinson Barracuda tubeless on old Rhynolite is a big nope. 5 wraps of tape. Canāt win them all. That slick ass tubeless tape is still on there, might be slightly better at protecting tube against pinch flats than the basic rubber band strip it replaced.
Clement/Donnelly has also been doing ātubelessā tubs forever.
Oh yeah? Just latex bonded to the inside of the casing? It makes sense and all, and I learned about it from a gcn Eurobike report I had on in the background while I was doing yoga, so Iām not necessarily getting a lot of detail
āTubelessā tubs are fucking stupid and I hate them*
- My feelings may be this way because I bought a sweet pair of deep carbon wheels with tubeless Clements mounted on themā¦only to find they were in fact tubular tubeless version of the tires, of which a clincher tubeless also exists. I feel dumb, but justified in my anger.
but those were manufactured by Tufo the whole time, as vulcanized garden hoses
Challenge just announced tubeless tires in both open clincher and also real tubulars with a skin of latex molded in them instead of a floating latex inner tube
Dugast has had tubeless true handmade tubulars for a couple years
Joes No Flats has a new road specific sealant formula, good up to 130 psi, for anyone who uses 700x18 tubeless
Gonna try it once I get through the Orange bottle Iām feeding my tires these days
EDIT: link to said product:
http://www.joes-no-flats.com/Products/664/Joe's-Road-Racing-Sealant
lol
I thought this was a joke
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Put a few miles on the Barlow Pass tubeless conversion.
Aināt dead yet.
Did experience maximum souplesse.
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DQ: Has the āmore flat tires on rainy daysā hypothesis ever been verified?
Sup brought it up in conversation and Iāve always been very skeptical. Seems like mostly anecdotes & confirmation bias but maybe there is truth buried in there?