DQ: Why is having a fast winter road bike important?
From my years on the college swim team I remember training with long hair & baggy drag shorts so we could do more rigorous muscle building in a compact time-frame (instead of shaving our bodies, wearing swim caps & race speedos and swimming double the distance/time more efficiently).
Does this logic not transfer over to cycling?
Wouldn’t training on a knobby tire 26" mountain bike make you fly when you jump back on the crabon bike?
This is interesting.
The women’s Caad 10s come in either 105 or Force. Force would be all right (can’t deal with Shimano shifters - tried everything, and they just don’t give me much of it - Sram fits better). Not-too-great wheels (Mavic Aksiums), but I could save up for some balleur wheels before race season starts…
[quote=Andrew_Squirrel]DQ: Why is having a fast winter road bike important?
From my years on the college swim team I remember training with long hair & baggy drag shorts so we could do more rigorous muscle building in a compact time-frame (instead of shaving our bodies, wearing swim caps & race speedos and swimming double the distance/time more efficiently).
Does this logic not transfer over to cycling?
Wouldn’t training on a knobby tire 26" mountain bike make you fly when you jump back on the crabon bike?[/quote]
Well, here, race season starts in March, so I’d probably do several races on my winter bike, at least, anyway, which means I want a winter bike that is raceworthy. In addition, I’ll be spending lots of hours training during the winter months, so it seems to make sense to get something that won’t suck for the job. I can’t imagine it would be very pleasant to do my 50 - 90 mile base mile rides on a mtb, and additionally, since I train with power, a 26" mtb would obviously not accept my powertap wheel.
I don’t know - I don’t understand why people would think I’d want to train on a mtb for road racing? A heavier or less optimal road bike, maybe, but a mtb? Am I insane for thinking that is not a good idea?
[quote=GrandmaJordan][quote=Andrew_Squirrel]DQ: Why is having a fast winter road bike important?
From my years on the college swim team I remember training with long hair & baggy drag shorts so we could do more rigorous muscle building in a compact time-frame (instead of shaving our bodies, wearing swim caps & race speedos and swimming double the distance/time more efficiently).
Does this logic not transfer over to cycling?
Wouldn’t training on a knobby tire 26" mountain bike make you fly when you jump back on the crabon bike?[/quote]
Well, here, race season starts in March, so I’d probably do several races on my winter bike, at least, anyway, which means I want a winter bike that is raceworthy. In addition, I’ll be spending lots of hours training during the winter months, so it seems to make sense to get something that won’t suck for the job. I can’t imagine it would be very pleasant to do my 50 - 90 mile base mile rides on a mtb, and additionally, since I train with power, a 26" mtb would obviously not accept my powertap wheel.
I don’t know - I don’t understand why people would think I’d want to train on a mtb for road racing? A heavier or less optimal road bike, maybe, but a mtb? Am I insane for thinking that is not a good idea?[/quote]
no you are not crazy
you want your rain bike to be teh bike you want to ride the most, as it is the one you need to ride when you don’t want to ride. Cycling on a knobie tired
mtb would be shit, and going out to ride two hours on one in the pissing rain would be extra shit
Backin the suggestion of a nor’wester (or the cascadia) over the Klatch for all the bb drop/HT angle etc reasons. Yes they’re pricy at rrp byy if you get a good deal then do it. The build, ride and paint is excellent. My s&s demon has flown around the world a few times and does CX/gravel/road duty and all I’d want to change is a better fork than the alpha q. Switching it to mini vees primarily for ease of packing transformed the braking too, so consider those if you don’t get a disc/caliper model. (Hydro shimano tho!)
I thought Doug built up a supersix evo for you a while back or something, no? Logical choice of race bike coming from a caad atmo
I think the latest CAAD X comes with fender eyelets and clears fat tires, but the geo is a good bit different from my caad 10. With bigger chainrings and road tires it might make a decent winter bike. I think it comes in disc and non disc versions (edit nvm the newer models are disc only). But I’d rather have a coffee grinder or that GT for a winter bike tbh.
This is interesting.
The women’s Caad 10s come in either 105 or Force. Force would be all right (can’t deal with Shimano shifters - tried everything, and they just don’t give me much of it - Sram fits better). Not-too-great wheels (Mavic Aksiums), but I could save up for some balleur wheels before race season starts…[/quote]
you have little hands and want the lever-zero adjust on hte srams
a force bike will be more than serviceable, where your major weight penalties will be in the cockpit (which you might swap to hit your fit numbers), cranks (ride the stock ones until you can go sisl 2 with a stages or whatever) and wheels. that bike with baller wheels will get you more than close enough to the weight limit, and a latex tubed 23c 320tpi tire will provide much of the compliance of a carbon frame in your size
[quote=BabbyMatt]I thought Doug built up a supersix evo for you a while back or something, no? Logical choice of race bike coming from a caad atmo
I think the latest CAAD X comes with fender eyelets and clears fat tires, but the geo is a good bit different from my caad 10. With bigger chainrings and road tires it could make a decent winter bike. I think it comes in disc and non disc versions. But I’d rather have a coffee grinder or that GT for a winter bike tbh.[/quote]
winter bike is a road bike (25-28c) with a fender
not a gravel grinder
get a road biek
[quote=Andrew_Squirrel]DQ: Why is having a fast winter road bike important?
From my years on the college swim team I remember training with long hair & baggy drag shorts so we could do more rigorous muscle building in a compact time-frame (instead of shaving our bodies, wearing swim caps & race speedos and swimming double the distance/time more efficiently).
Does this logic not transfer over to cycling?
Wouldn’t training on a knobby tire 26" mountain bike make you fly when you jump back on the crabon bike?[/quote]
I am guessing that part of it is that the actual speeds involved are important. In swimming you are not worried about cornering or pacelines or descending. But on a bike practicing handling those things at near-race speeds is important to training.
But that’s just a guess, I don’t race so not 100% sure.
this is how i got through 1000’s of winter miles in canada
fenders on a road bike. fuck riding something designed ot hit jumps and shit on the road for few hours
[quote=jimmythefly][quote=Andrew_Squirrel]DQ: Why is having a fast winter road bike important?
From my years on the college swim team I remember training with long hair & baggy drag shorts so we could do more rigorous muscle building in a compact time-frame (instead of shaving our bodies, wearing swim caps & race speedos and swimming double the distance/time more efficiently).
Does this logic not transfer over to cycling?
Wouldn’t training on a knobby tire 26" mountain bike make you fly when you jump back on the crabon bike?[/quote]
I am guessing that part of it is that the actual speeds involved are important. In swimming you are not worried about cornering or pacelines or descending. But on a bike practicing handling those things at near-race speeds is important to training.
But that’s just a guess, I don’t race so not 100% sure.[/quote]
Oh yeah, all that too! Would not want to paceline or do any group riding on a mtb.
Cool, that all makes sense, thanks for explaining
The mtb idea was an alternative that might have worked. Finding disc wheels cheap to rack up miles on would be easy if race bike was going to have them.
If it were me doing this a heavy steel bike with turdly tires would be bought used and handed abuse after abuse. Leaving x-$500 for a carbon bike so perfectly set up I didn’t mind suffering to the edge of my ability on it. Once this was settled my mancrush Douggie would be given to do his male duty unfettered with any further complications.
Roadies gonna roadie up in here
its a racing question
if a mtber asked me what bike to do winter base miles on I’d tell them to get a road bike with fenders that fit 28c as well
its a racing question
if a mtber asked me what bike to do winter base miles on I’d tell them to get a road bike with fenders that fit 28c as well[/quote]
Well do you think the fact that your answer to both is the same speaks more to your personal bias, and just happens to align perfectly with the bike you own?
its a racing question
if a mtber asked me what bike to do winter base miles on I’d tell them to get a road bike with fenders that fit 28c as well[/quote]
Well do you think the fact that your answer to both is the same speaks more to your personal bias, and just happens to align perfectly with the bike you own?[/quote]
nike as in teh goddess or the shoes?
i have never owned a pair of nikes
right now i have a set of birkinstocks, a pair of mafistos and a shitload of cycling shoes
its a racing question
if a mtber asked me what bike to do winter base miles on I’d tell them to get a road bike with fenders that fit 28c as well[/quote]
Well do you think the fact that your answer to both is the same speaks more to your personal bias, and just happens to align perfectly with the bike you own?[/quote]
no, it works best as a tool to put road miles on. a bike is a tool; sure you can do it with whatever, but i’d rather ride a road bike than my xc race bike with slicks
tldr for the most part… but…
Whatever you do don’t get a lowmod or cheaper carbon frame as the race bike. Caad10 smokes the evo carbon as a race bike That’s not just my opinion on it either. We GAVE our elite team guys lowmod ultegra evos to race on and they pratically begged to go back to the caad10 frames they had last year. If you’re not balling with himod money stick with caad10. No better race bike for anything close to that price. Full stop. Evo carbon is great if you are non racer that needs a smaller head tube than the Synapse but race rig it is not.
For that other bike… yeah get something with 41.5cm stays, 7cm drop, room for 35s, and fender mounts and commit to the concept of a winter trainer light gravel bike or just train on the caad10 with gatorskins or something because it’s a caad10 and get a mountain bike.
its a racing question
if a mtber asked me what bike to do winter base miles on I’d tell them to get a road bike with fenders that fit 28c as well[/quote]
Well do you think the fact that your answer to both is the same speaks more to your personal bias, and just happens to align perfectly with the bike you own?[/quote]
no, it works best as a tool to put road miles on. a bike is a tool; sure you can do it with whatever, but i’d rather ride a road bike than my xc race bike with slicks[/quote]
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