Which Enve bars did you throw on there? Curious what you end up thinkin bout em.
Went and did a fit last Friday as I was having similar issues it sounds like - rolling hips forward more x long arms collabo.
And re: pedaling technique, I found this article pretty interesting, especially getting a perspective on how the different ankling methods affect fit and performance:
now I know you’re trolling. That’s a 120mm stem. Also: slammed as far down as it can go and clear a canti cable holder if I need to swap to cantis for a muddy race.[/quote]
Why do you think I’m trolling? Have you tried a longer stem? I just thought your position looks cramped and you appear to have long ass arms. I dunno anything about your size / your frame’s size this is just based on these videos so who knows. You get what you pay for when you ask for advice on the internet, lol.[/quote]
I’m 5’9 with a 34 inch inseam. The bike was designed around a 100mm stem for my size. I threw on a 120mm.
bike is a 55cm
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Ah, figured you were taller based on the saddle height. 78-80cm is usually what someone 6’+ uses. Your inseam is crazy for your height. PM me if you want a cheap -17 120mm stem to try out to make up for your lost drop by lowering the saddle so much.
My inseam is also 34"
I pedal heal down though and keep my saddle a tad low. I end up with only 75.5 saddle height.
[quote=Roundabout]
And re: pedaling technique, I found this article pretty interesting, especially getting a perspective on how the different ankling methods affect fit and performance:
http://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/05/pedalling-technique-what-is-best/[/quote]
^ Like I said, heel position is nothing to stress about. Gonna happen how it happens.
My calves get real tired sometimes ridin’ the rollers pedalling heel down, but can’t help it.
[quote=Roundabout]Which Enve bars did you throw on there? Curious what you end up thinkin bout em.
Went and did a fit last Friday as I was having similar issues it sounds like - rolling hips forward more x long arms collabo.
And re: pedaling technique, I found this article pretty interesting, especially getting a perspective on how the different ankling methods affect fit and performance:
http://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/05/pedalling-technique-what-is-best/[/quote]
Yep. I read another article that goes a little more into body types. Heels down seems to work well for taller, less flexible folks. That would be me.
At one point I made a concious effort to do it, but eventually my saddle came down.
when i get really tired i drop my heels, and eventually it blows up my knees and back.
happened last year on my tour.
also that steve hogg article is really confusing
first he gives merckx as his main example of a heel dropper (he is def not)
then he goes into psoas and how they need to be neutral
which is pretty much the opposite of everything I’ve heard from really fast guys (push/pull!)
I interpreted the psoas bit as: most people (particularly those not well adapted) can potentially have more issues than benefits if they spend a lot of time pulling due to tight psoas muscles. The more you stretch them and open them up, the more I’m assuming you can pull up without causing negative effects, which to me reinforces the idea of stretching as an important aspect of training.
Yeah the pro examples is kinda huh but I like it from just walking through the context of the leg/ankle as a lever and how ankling can affect that. When my saddle gets above a certain point, I start toe dropping like woah to keep my hips stable, and it kills me after an hour or so at pace. Now, I have my saddle a bit higher but a cm further forward along with a more aft/medial cleat position which is seeing a bit more drop than previous, by a handful of degrees.
I’ve seen some pedal stroke analysis that suggest that fast guys don’t pull so much, but rather avoid working against themselves. Which is to say they do a better job unweighting the side opposite the power stroke.
I definitely have a tight psoas on one side. Can feel it pretty well. Shit is hard to stretch. I stretch my hip flexors a lot, but again, mostly only tight on that one side.
I’ve been wondering if I do need to bring my saddle up. I have had it where I have it for quite some time and it feels right, but I got some wicked pain in my hamstring attachments up under my butt last time I did a race in the drops the whole time. I think my hips don’t open enough and the back near my glutes gets over extended due to my low saddle position. I would like for this not to happen, cuz it was incredibly painful for a couple days and I plan on doing lots more crits and such this year where i’m in the drops (in this instance it wasn’t a short crit though - ~30 miles in the drops TTing in a breakaway).
Pretty sure my tight psoas are one of the primary reasons for my sciatica.
yeah, it’s not because you’re old and mean
now I know you’re trolling. That’s a 120mm stem. Also: slammed as far down as it can go and clear a canti cable holder if I need to swap to cantis for a muddy race.[/quote]
Why do you think I’m trolling? Have you tried a longer stem? I just thought your position looks cramped and you appear to have long ass arms. I dunno anything about your size / your frame’s size this is just based on these videos so who knows. You get what you pay for when you ask for advice on the internet, lol.[/quote]
I’m 5’9 with a 34 inch inseam. The bike was designed around a 100mm stem for my size. I threw on a 120mm.
bike is a 55cm[/quote]
a 120mm stem is really friggin normal for a race bike, especially with compact bars, 100mm would be silly short
didn’t you have them make it with a short TT too?
and you don’t need 2cm of spacers in there, a decent long drop cable stop is like 8mm tall
long ass legs don’t make you a t-rex, stubby little arms do, and you don’t have that problem in the slightest (looks like you got a shortish torso and a tiny neck)
my legs are fully 3" longer than yours, my saddle is usually at 82cm, and I tend to pedal toes down (no heel drop whatsoever)
listen to aerobear and drop the hell out of your saddle
having it way up here in the stratosphere is not doing you any favors
fuck bros
the tarck internet fit experts were sooooo right about 1.5 yrs ago
or whenever it was we were makin fun of cheshire a little
for no setback, high saddle and short ass reach
what is this now i gotta post a video tonight to be judged
or at least to see what i look like in motion on the bike
busy today with work. Gonna try again tomorrow after I take my infectious disease exam.
heath: You’re right: pros don’t necc pull/push. They do unweight the opposite foot. The pull/push is less efficient and usually reserved for sprinting or climbing where you have a lot of resistance against the drivetrain already (this is from our cadaver anatomy class. Prof is a bike nerd) Mostly you see athletes getting a bigger jump right at the bottom of their pedal stroke (a “dig” motion)
saddle was at 81cm before.
Gonna bring it down to 79, ride it, then try 77. My MTB feels a lot better right around 76/77
I’m gonna be out for the next 24 hours thanks to learning a bunch of ways that parasites and fungi can kill you. Fun times. Thanks for the help, y’all. Seriously: I saw great results in position improvement from a tri turned roadie friend of mine who used side view videos and then put it out for people to make suggestions. His fit is dialed, and even though he’s tall he crushed his way to cat 3 in a year.
I’m a little taller than you, have more torso though. Not even sure how you’re measuring inseam. IIRC I’m around 74.5cm.
BOOM.
Matt, post up your video.
[quote=cookietruck]fuck bros
the tarck internet fit experts were sooooo right about 1.5 yrs ago
or whenever it was we were makin fun of cheshire a little
for no setback, high saddle and short ass reach[/quote]
I’ve been shaking my head at Milin for a long time now. Offered to fit him, even. He told me he had science or something, so…
for reference, I’m 6 1.5" with an inseam somewhere 35-36, and have a saddle height of 81cm
[quote=BabbyMatt]what is this now i gotta post a video tonight to be judged
or at least to see what i look like in motion on the bike[/quote]
try it. even for self analysis it’s incredible. I’m making use of video a TON more from now on for training. Gonna go see exactly why I suck so bad at bunnyhopping with my iphone cam and a mini tripod. I will be hopping barriers next year. I MUST! FOR SCIENCE!
I’m similar, 6’2 with a 36 inseam and I ride with a 79.5-80.5cm saddle height.
No way someone with a 34" inseam should be riding with a 77+cm saddle height.
Bunnyhopping has a lot to do with the same muscles that b-ball players work on to get max vert in their jam. If you can bunnyhop a BMX onto a picnic table and manual you’ve got a good shot at dunking on your boys.
where do you measure saddle height, to the widest part of the saddle?
I’ve always measured top of pedal to top of saddle at widest point, seems more repeatable esp. when messing with different crank lengths and amounts of setback