gotta say
i agree with swoop on this one
also lol @ “… that’s a lot of boner about something.”
You’re confused if you possess the misapprehension that I believe I’m good at anything related to cycling other than going down a hill well, which isn’t much to brag about in any case. I’m a novice road cyclist, which leads to my point that fit, and years of experience as a road cyclist has less to do with getting down a hill quickly and unscathed as you imply. What’s irritating to me is that you offered a diagnosis of what went wrong as though you were authoritative on the subject. I have very little respect for your opinion on the topic, which is why I ranted earlier in this thread. Perhaps you could keep your opinion reserved to those communities where you are more well-regarded?
[quote=cookietruck]gotta say
i agree with swoop on this one
also lol @ “… that’s a lot of boner about something.”[/quote]
hally babby ILU
Swoop needs to put his bikes in the new guy thread
no… i tried to write something that would stir enough passions that this would transcend the confines of being a local event. with the hopes that folks would react enough to just take a breath, self evauluate for a second, risk making a wrong assumption and make a superficial judgment about how they sit on a bike and intervene or modify a ride or the conversation. those comments about the stem and spacer were 2 sentences out of a long conversation.
I’d hope to pierce the unreality of bikevertising as a romantic personal experience and refocus my little piece of the conversation about the life and deathness and the kind of relaxed vigilence and judgment we all should use on each other… (something that is often easily communicated by the body on the bike) and i put it out there knowing i’d get bashed for it… because i didnt see the conversation happening in any other way… less platitiudes and feel goodisms. and I stand behind every word. i’m not diganosing an accident… i’m poking at the events that might create the next one and hopefully frustrating the reader enough that… there is a pause.
we sat around at coffee with the email about the ride on our iphones and talked about someone getting killed on the route as it was announced. that conversation hangs with me. i suppose my agenda was to get away from that hanging.
if you’re a novice and good at going downhills… you’re just lucky. give it time. check up a little… get a few years under your belt and ride with enough folks that you’re developing a skill rather than relying on the good graces of your own good balance… because when it goes wrong you’ll really not feel like you want to die like that.
everyone is so fucking afraid of being a beginner… when its the best thing in the world to be.
and if you’re planning a ride to promote a brand… it doesnt have to be an epic or dangerous to be amazing. there so much amazing here and no reason for that route. common sense isn’t for haters. the provocative language is just to make the read worth the readers time. feelings and passions are good stuff… don’t run away from them either.
[quote=Swoop]if you’re a novice and good at going downhills… you’re just lucky. give it time. check up a little… get a few years under your belt and ride with enough folks that you’re developing a skill rather than relying on the good graces of your own good balance… because when it goes wrong you’ll really not feel like you want to die like that.
everyone is so fucking afraid of being a beginner… when its the best thing in the world to be.[/quote]
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Don’t worry swoop, halbritt is just mad cause someone’s e-peen is bigger for once.
Stick around, we ain’t gonna chase you out like the dentists and brownnosers across the hall. It’s all dicks here.
^ well said babby
But seriously, go post your bikes in the newguy thread.
Less words, more bike pics in new guy thread.
at which point, while snacking on your dicks you will be told with great authority exactly why your bikes suck. Once our grievances have been aired you may return to the feats of strength developing in this thread. As is customary, fuck off and die new guy.
just because a descent is tricky and fast doesnt mean you have to tear ass down it like you’re friggin Valentino Rossi.
you can ride the brakes like a granny and take your time to get to know the route and let the hammerheads fly down it like retards and just regroup at the end.
I’m perfectly fine doing that on descents I don’t know when I’m on a group ride.
I’m also okay with railing a descent I do know. The problem here is that people buy expensive bikes and automatically think that makes them a great technical rider.
I don’t go out and buy a Ducati 948 and think I’m a fast rider. I know that I’m a squid on a fast bike (that being said, I ride a slow bike)
The same is true for cars: guys go out and buy a corvette and think they are dale earnhardt and then are surprised or blame the car or the road when they wrap their precious vette around a tree. The problem is testosterone poisoning, not the route. Sad the guy died, but plenty of stuff like this happened when people did canyon runs too on motorbikes or cars. The more people getting into the sport the more this will happen.
Jesus christ, some of you guys should go to a bike park one day. Literally dozens of people being able to decide for themselves which trails would kill them and which ones they can ride, all without having to have someone hold their hand to do it. Then when someone does die or break their neck, nobody debates on the internet as to whether they should have been allowed on that trail in the first place. It would blow your fucking minds.
Also, fuck you new guy. Long winded bullshit posts isn’t going to get you out of eating dicks.
[quote=CheshireCat]just because a descent is tricky and fast doesnt mean you have to tear ass down it like you’re friggin Valentino Rossi.
you can ride the brakes like a granny and take your time to get to know the route and let the hammerheads fly down it like retards and just regroup at the end.
I’m perfectly fine doing that on descents I don’t know when I’m on a group ride.
I’m also okay with railing a descent I do know. The problem here is that people buy expensive bikes and automatically think that makes them a great technical rider.[/quote]
Yeah, this. I’m super cautious on anything other than straight lines until I’ve ridden down enough to remember where every little bump, rut, off-camber, rough patch, etc. is on the way down. Even after that, I only rail after I’ve been riding frequently and have ridden that down more than once recently. Etcetera.
Getting old and having some skull fractures make that sort of thing an easy thing to get used to.
[quote=Rich]Jesus christ, some of you guys should go to a bike park one day. Literally dozens of people being able to decide for themselves which trails would kill them and which ones they can ride, all without having to have someone hold their hand to do it. Then when someone does die or break their neck, nobody debates on the internet as to whether they should have been allowed on that trail in the first place. It would blow your fucking minds.
Also, fuck you new guy. Long winded bullshit posts isn’t going to get you out of eating dicks.[/quote]
yeah but that’s different when they do it on their own
instead of following a group that says hey come with on this gentlemans ride
and it’ll be epic just like in the glamcycle pics you see on the internetz
I get that this is your local scene and I get that you anticipated this happening and I get that you’d like to do something about it. I get that you’re not happy about how the image of road cycling is developing.
[quote=Swoop]if you’re a novice and good at going downhills… you’re just lucky. give it time. check up a little… get a few years under your belt and ride with enough folks that you’re developing a skill rather than relying on the good graces of your own good balance… because when it goes wrong you’ll really not feel like you want to die like that.
everyone is so fucking afraid of being a beginner… when its the best thing in the world to be.[/quote]
This is the part that irritates me. Your prescription here is incorrect. You’re suggesting that the path to becoming a good road cyclist is the same path that makes someone a good descender. Further the subtext that I’m perhaps inferring is that people need to subscribe to your notions of what a road-cyclist should be if they want to ride down a hill quickly and stay alive. My counter-point is that descending is a separate talent. If folks want to ride down steep hills while wearing lycra and not die, they either need to learn to descend well or preserve their good judgment and keep their speed in check. Some folks have a talent for descending, some don’t, and some never will.
As to your suggestion about my luck getting down a hill. I’m not sure why you would bother speculating about that or why you think it would be necessary for me to develop skill in that arena? There’s no good reason for any road cyclist to ever need to take the kind of risks that I enjoy unless they are also thrill seekers. I suck at road cycling and I’m never going to not suck, but I do like to go down hills really fast and I’m pretty good at it. They are different avenues of expertise.
Amazing.
Nah. I’m still faster down a hill than he is.
Swoop can brag when he’s used a flamethrower on people.
of all the things i could have imagined happening in this thread, swoop joining and he4th giving him shit was not one of them.
anyways, the other day in the middle of an epic ride in the freezing rain i found myself railing it down a descent i’ve never done before. it wasn’t particularly fast or technical. but i was nearly hypothermic and definitely not as sharp as i could have been.
i realized all of a sudden, maybe a little prudence would be alright.
it would suck for something dumb to happen, way out in bum-fucked egypt on a cold and shitty sunday when i should have been 1/4 drunk and watching football on the couch.
getting old sucks
tc: I don’t even remember what we were arguing about in this thread
but if homeboy is tarckin’ it up to defend his judging of deadguy’s skills by the spacer and up stem, I would say that I think this kind of judgmental shit is the same kind of peer pressure that got him into the situation. blaming the shit on spacers or whatever is just the kind of thing an internet weekend warrior will take into account when he shows up for a gentleman ride, so he doesn’t stick out as the kind of fred that the organizers have to ask to leave. ‘I get all my PRO bikefit knowledge from slamdatstem’
maybe a better solution would be… talking to the new faces on a group ride? get a feel for who these people are? or I guess, yeah you could glance around at the bikes around you at the top of a hairy descent and have a word with any suspicious perps, maybe have the bikejock cops give them a written warning or something and send them home.
^ its like someone put all you mofos on repeat
and wth i guess blasedelf is right about halbritt and the E-peen thing…lulz