[quote=“biekridder”]horizontal dropouts != track ends!
genetic difference here![/quote]
Not sure what you mean here.
uh, just that track ends and horizontal dropouts are two different things, which halbritt seems to be confused on.
I was wondering why he thought I’d have trouble removing a wheel with horizontal dropouts. Makes sense now.
noobish question: what are those second bars hanging from the top tube and sometimes seat tube?
Those are pumps painted to match the frame.
Rene Herse
check hte mercian path racer.
check the herse touring bike…i didn’t post this already did i?
herse is back: http://www.renehersebicycles.com/
and ugh, i fucking hate ornate/gaudy/overdone british bikes- them curvy stayed hetchins are liek the epitome of my hate.
i don’t think he’s confused at all. i suspect he’s saying that a vertical dropout would make wheel removal easier on a full-fendered bike.
H, correct me if i’m wrong.
I’m torn on converting my Crosscheck to 9-speed. My regular commute doesn’t need anything more than fixed/ss but it’d be nice for longer rides outside the valley and pulling a trailer.
All randonneur bikes need dyno hubs though, best invention ever. I love not worrying about batteries.
i don’t think he’s confused at all. i suspect he’s saying that a vertical dropout would make wheel removal easier on a full-fendered bike.
H, correct me if i’m wrong.[/quote]
uh, there is really no difference in ease of removal from a vertical drop out bike as to a horizontal dropout bike.
the way the horizontal dropouts are angled, there are no fender interference or brake adjustment relative to axle position issues. that’s why horizontal dropouts rock, especially for single gear applications.
also, you can fine tune the wheelbase depending on if you have a load or not. (loads ride better with a longer wheelbase, unloaded rides better with a shorter wheelbase)
but we may be going in circles here.
i realize it’s a touring bike, but come on. it’s gorgeous and close enough.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/posd7.htmlToo bad it only comes in three sizes, all of them super small.
i don’t think he’s confused at all. i suspect he’s saying that a vertical dropout would make wheel removal easier on a full-fendered bike.
H, correct me if i’m wrong.[/quote]
uh, there is really no difference in ease of removal from a vertical drop out bike as to a horizontal dropout bike.
the way the horizontal dropouts are angled, there are no fender interference or brake adjustment relative to axle position issues. that’s why horizontal dropouts rock, especially for single gear applications.
also, you can fine tune the wheelbase depending on if you have a load or not. (loads ride better with a longer wheelbase, unloaded rides better with a shorter wheelbase)
but we may be going in circles here.[/quote]
[quote=“edw”]Horizontal Dropout
Track end
[/quote]
If i may add to the stack:
i don’t think he’s confused at all. i suspect he’s saying that a vertical dropout would make wheel removal easier on a full-fendered bike.
H, correct me if i’m wrong.[/quote]
uh, there is really no difference in ease of removal from a vertical drop out bike as to a horizontal dropout bike.
the way the horizontal dropouts are angled, there are no fender interference or brake adjustment relative to axle position issues. that’s why horizontal dropouts rock, especially for single gear applications.
also, you can fine tune the wheelbase depending on if you have a load or not. (loads ride better with a longer wheelbase, unloaded rides better with a shorter wheelbase)
but we may be going in circles here.[/quote]
It’s easiest to set up fenders on a bike with vertical dropouts, because you don’t have to worry about allowing for wheel removal clearance forward of the wheel. You can make a perfect fender line with no compromises.
i don’t think he’s confused at all. i suspect he’s saying that a vertical dropout would make wheel removal easier on a full-fendered bike.
H, correct me if i’m wrong.[/quote]
That is correct.
If you like these type of bikes you would really like The Golden Age of Handbuilt Bicycles. It is a lot of the Rando/camping/touring type bikes most set up with full fenders, generators, lights, racks, etc. The bikes featured that aren’t of that variety are tandems or porteur style bikes. Most of them are pre-60’s bikes.
And also anyone see this end on Ebay: Alex Singer that ended for $3550!
Was just browsing Rivendell’s site and found a new model they have coming out, the Sam Hillborne. Looks like a good somewhat lower cost alternative to a custom made rando bike or finding an old Alex Singer or Rene Hearse in your size. Info says $1000 frame,fork, headset, BB, and seatpost and around $2000 built. Clicky
And Sturmey Archer/Sun Race needs to hurry TFU and get the S3X fixed hubs out. I have a three speed rando fixed build in mind. Racks, fenders, fat tires, generator hub/light, canti brakes f/r, and of course a Brooks saddle. I haven’t found a frame yet, but have one that might work in mind.
I really like what Rivendell does, but their stuff is damned spendy.
for the love of fuck, THIS.