i have powershift veloces on my land shark and i will say the actual action and throw, is very positive. you can only go down one at a time on the thumb, but the actual feel is much like my 11 speed stuff. front shifting feels good too mang. hard to judge versus the escape xenon since its hub bub, but much crisper feeling.
Fred KILLING it again with the bike knowledge. Sweet.
Last question, though… which levels of Campy are non-bullshit? Veloce (and Mirage, and anything below) are bad… Record and Chorus are good… what’s in the middle? Probably Centaur… Was there an Athena 10?[/quote]
for new shape campy, all dat shits the same pre power shift. old shape, it depends on the year. anything not escpae is hunky dory. i even use bullshit xenon on my cross bike and it’s works fine.[/quote]
For 2010, Athena and Centaur were ultra-shift (multiple gear release). For 2011, everything below Chorus is power-shift (single gear release). This includes Athena. On the plus side, the price of Athena didn’t increase for 2011.
So, if you can find it, get 2010 Athena or Centaur. I shifted a Super Record bike the other day. The lever action and feel was exactly the same as my 2010 Centaur.
my road beater is
veloce 9 ultrashift shifters
fsa crank
sram 9 cassette
ultegra 9 chain
ultegra 9 front der.
campy athena 8 long cage rear der. ~~~ used to be dura ace 9 rear der.
I use shimano 10 chains and used to use cassettes before freehub swap for my campy centaur cross bike.
the spacing is all the same for all this shit, mix any 6/7/8 however you want, whatever 9 does whatever 9, and 10 does 10. my co-workers force shifters and derailleurs do much better on a campy 10 cassette then any sram or shimano one.
long live ultrashift
sram is terrible.
sram is terrible.[/quote]
im sorry could you repeat that?
[quote=scrub]No hub bub just slapped together and go, it was actually easier than the straight Shimano 8 speed set ups. Oh and apparently Campagnolo 11 shifts shimano 9 perfectly and 10 with the hub bub.
Only weird thing is that some universal shifter cables fit right in and others need a little filing of the cable ends. I’d buy campy specific brake cables though because they need a lot of filing (I’m cheap and didn’t want to pay double for Campy cables).[/quote]
I only run Campy and never use Campagnolo cables. If you have a bench grinder, it takes about a minute to turn two cheap stainless Shimano cables into expensive Campy ones.
How many times do I have to tell you that SRAM sucks (especially that crank)?
[quote=aerobear]“Powershift” is “escape” under a new name but supposedly its not as crappy as the old escape shifters but seems like most campy enthusiasts are avoiding it.
I did the shimergo thing with 10s record shifters and 9-speed ultegra rear der, with the cable routing thing (which is really easy).
I had some issues with it but I never really determined if my shifting problems were due to the campy/shimano mix or the wrong pulleys on my derailleur (bottom half of the cassette was a no-go area in the small ring).[/quote]
Are you saying that you cobbled together a ten-speed Campagnolo system using a nine-speed Shimano derailer and some sort of alternate cable routing? If so, I’d like to know what this was, since I have more pairs of Campagnolo shift levers than I do derailers, and also have a pile of old Shimano derailers in various parts boxes.
Maybe I’m more exacting than you folks, but every one of these kludges I’ve attempted (mixing Shimano and Campagnolo cassettes, ten speed Campy with nine cogs, etc) turns out total shit system. The spacing is observably different between eight, nine and ten speed systems from all manufacturers, so I don’t know how you guys manage it working well. The only one I remember working OK with nine speed Campy with a nine speed Shimano cassette.
How many times do I have to tell you that SRAM sucks (especially that crank)?[/quote]
lollin
[quote=bonechilling][quote=aerobear]“Powershift” is “escape” under a new name but supposedly its not as crappy as the old escape shifters but seems like most campy enthusiasts are avoiding it.
I did the shimergo thing with 10s record shifters and 9-speed ultegra rear der, with the cable routing thing (which is really easy).
I had some issues with it but I never really determined if my shifting problems were due to the campy/shimano mix or the wrong pulleys on my derailleur (bottom half of the cassette was a no-go area in the small ring).[/quote]
Are you saying that you cobbled together a ten-speed Campagnolo system using a nine-speed Shimano derailer and some sort of alternate cable routing? If so, I’d like to know what this was, since I have more pairs of Campagnolo shift levers than I do derailers, and also have a pile of old Shimano derailers in various parts boxes.
Maybe I’m more exacting than you folks, but every one of these kludges I’ve attempted (mixing Shimano and Campagnolo cassettes, ten speed Campy with nine cogs, etc) turns out total shit system. The spacing is observably different between eight, nine and ten speed systems from all manufacturers, so I don’t know how you guys manage it working well. The only one I remember working OK with nine speed Campy with a nine speed Shimano cassette.[/quote]
It was 10s shifters with a 9 speed derailleur and a 9 speed shimano (well, sram) cassette. It worked acceptably. The alternate cable routing is as people are describing “hubub” (though I had no idea it was called that so when reading this thread I was getting a little confused).
It ghost shifted whenever I cross chained a little bit. The top 4 of my cassette were useless in the small chainring and bottom 3 useless in the big chainring, so I felt it left me with a bit of a gap as far as mid range gears went. When running it through the gears in the stand, it shifted perfectly, just had this problem under load.
Other than that the shifting was about 75% what you’d expect. Front shifting worked excellent (old veloce FD on my rain bike where the ST angle is such that no derailleur will line up any good with my chainrings) in comparison to what I got now. I did the first 2 bike races of the season on this set up and I wasn’t found on the side of the road throwing my bike into a ditch, so it must have worked OK.
Honestly if you’re used to having all campy set ups, I doubt you’d ever be satisfied with this set up. It won’t be nearly as precise and accurate as you’re used to. It actually sets up pretty easy and shifts well in the stand, but in use just isn’t ‘perfect’.
hmmmm
this thread been making me want to do a shimergo setup like amy describes above on the serotta but if the performance she got is characteristic of hubub routing, that sounds like a deal breaker…
on the other hand i could just move all the 9sp ultegra over to theoretical cross bike that i’ll need by fall and piece together an 8/10 shimergo setup during the winter months. pretty sure i could live with 8sp on a roadie around here and get more use out of 9 gears on a single chainring setup for 'cross…
maybe i should just not think about this shit for a few more months until my job/living situation gets figured out…
I don’t see why anyone would tolerate performance that’s “75% of what you’d expect,” when 100% performance is pretty cheaply and easily accomplished. I’ve cobbled together lots of things before, but I really do expect my shifting to be light, crisp and immediate. I don’t want a 25% chance of missing a shift, even if I’m just futzing around and not racing.
Well I only had this set up for 2 reasons:
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Experimentation
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Throwing together a “rain” bike and couldnt afford a new group, so just bought shifters and used shit lying around
Either way I gave up on it and went back to sram (cuz cheaper).
I’m in a love/hate relationship with sram. I love how campy shifted (I had a regular campy 10 speed set up for a bit), but the thumb lever just never felt right to me. Awkward for me to reach from the drops.
I (quite successfully) raced cross last fall with 10 speed veloce shifters (2010 ultrashift shape with ergopower internals i believe) running a 9 spd shimano rear (ultegra sl rd) and 10 spd sram rings (force fd) and chain. i used both sram and shimano 9 spd cassettes.
Worked well. The front shifting was actually quite awesome - although prolly would have been a little better with shimano rings.
http://www.cxmagazine.com/shimano-campagnolo-ergopower-compatibility
Yeah my front shifting was sram rings with campy der and campy shifter. my only trouble was in the back.
i never had issues, maybe double check the hubbub routing goes correctly around that little tang?
i never had issues, maybe double check the hubbub routing goes correctly around that little tang?[/quote]
got rid of set up a month ago. wasn’t really fond of campy shifters. too awkward to reach thumb lever from drops.
The Slicker is set up with a SRimanErgoTour group.
10 speed Veloce levers, non-Escape mech.
SRAM Rival cranks
9 speed 105 rear derailleur
Old SunTour front derailleur
8 speed shimano 12-28 cassette
Shifts perfectly
Worked with a 9 speed cassette and the cable routing thing, but works better with 8. I am fine with 8.
So I’m looking at throwing brifters on a flip; somehow Campy is the cheapest shit going now.
9 speed Xenon is total shit? and doesn’t play nice with any speed Shimano, according to the chart in the OP?
http://www.velomine.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=86_247_248&products_id=1328&zenid=328u7cff0sodq1f9i8kfklb7p0
'07 10 speed Mirage escape is also kinda shitty and same price-ish with no cables… but plays nice with Shimano 8?
sneaks, you looking for 8 or 9 speed sti levers?
these just popped up on boston cl: http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/bik/2357146959.html