the derpouts are teh same as the wolverine failure prone ones, but as there is no break in teh CS/TT they might be less failure prone on this mixte.
I did see at least one of the derpouts crack through the derpout itself, though and the design was a bit suboptimal, however the extra tubes of the mixte may reduce stresses on teh derpout (or make them worse)
As a short-ish person I don’t subscribe to this theory
The rivendorks are at interbike. I need some stupid questions to ask them. Going to ask if their bikes take stealth droppers.
That’s good. Also ask them if anyone has tried a suspension fork and what happened.
Maybe as if you can order a custom quickbeam with disk brakes.
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Just ask why no discs
And when they come around
Why are they using bb7s?
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Y’know, I… kinda buy this. Like, why should the wheelbase be shorter for smol people?
Ideally you’d want the same wheelbase, the same HTA/fork rake, and the same body CG relative to the wheelbase to result in the same handling. A shorter stem and further swept back bars will help with reach issues to some extent, but simple body geometry is going to dictate less reach in the frame - and you’ll need to stretch the chainstays to keep the wheelbase the same, as well as keep the body in the same location relative to the wheelbase.
As an owner of a Rivendell-like bike with a 47 cm chainstays that’s ridden frequently I have a hard time believing that most of the long wheel base bikes are very fun pedaling out of the saddle. I also don’t really notice any improvements in stability compared to my compact CS bikes, if anything it is my least stable bike when bombing hills.
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I have had a Hillborne twice, an Atlantis and a Clem Smith L. They all rode fine and comfortable but all were not fun to ride out of the saddle.
If I were to do it again I would probably keep my Clem L for commutes and everything else. It has nice tire clearance. I sold it because it was heavy and boring and too comfortable and I should have kept it.
This was winter mode.
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That’s a nice couch. Every riv I’ve ridden has been pretty ok to ride, though obviously quite a tank.
Currently owning three Rivendells (Clem H, too big Sam, just right Sam), and having ridden a few others (ex’s Betty Foy, test rides on a Bleriot and an Appaloosa), I think Grant’s pretty good at designing bikes that are fun to ride.
The Clem was weird to pedal out of the saddle, but I don’t think it had anything to do with having a YUGE wheelbase and 56cm of chainstays. It was weird for me because of the combination of high bars and flexy bar/stem combo.
The just right Sam (stock Riv build w/drop bars) is pretty great to ride out of the saddle. And it rides pretty great overall, much better than the Space Horse I used to have. If I had to go down to owning only one road bike from of my current collection, it would probably be the Sam.
TC this is making me want to go get my Clem out of consignment.
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That second top tube makes my teeth ache.
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Huh, guess the Sam got longer chainstays as well recently. Geo chart is showing 46.5cm, or it’s an error.
Their PBH sizing was such bullshit for me on the Sam. Consulted with two different people at Riv, explaining super long legs and arms, and short torso, and they still recommended the 62cm for me. It’s pretty miserable to ride with droppy bars. Someday I’ll convert it to Albatross bars, which was the original plan anyway, if I can ever stop buying watches. Or maybe I’ll just sell it.
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Should have written: I’ll add it to the pile of stuff I intend to sell, but never do.
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How too big?
Wanna sell it to me dirt cheap?
62cm C-to-T, just like Edd posted above.
No?
The kind of couch we’re talking about has an additional 10-15cm of Front Center across the board versus your vintage Trek, they’re not comparable
also these chainstays are 10-15cm longer than normal depending on size, yours are merely 5cm over what’s necessary
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