yeah, will probably end up looking like that blue and white gaulzetti isimo without the weird extensions
If I was having an artisanal steel frame/fork built for all purpose radness I would go with braze-on Paul Racer Mediums. Uggo, but work nicely and lots o’ clearance. Get some cartridge pad holders and run whatever wheels.
In your case you might need a good hanger solution for the low position though. Since the studs are brazed on fork crown hanger would be an option though if you can get it high enough to put the straddle carrier where it needs to be.
teh hanger is what kills my marinoni to be honest. Its almost worth buying a set of mini v’s because the extra 1.5cm of stack is killer
Build around a tubeless ready rim no matter what. Road and cross tubeless is moving VERY quickly towards being perfected.
See my review of Hutch Sector 28.
There are several REALLY good tubeless multiuse/crossish tires now to choose from now and by next year I bet there will be over a dozen. Specialized, Kenda, and Hutchinson are really pushing things forward with this and once the mythical Schwalbe 28 drops things will probably get even better. Plus S makes a tubeless 24mm tire now that is also the tits.
[quote=bradencbc]Build around a tubeless ready rim no matter what. Road and cross tubeless is moving VERY quickly towards being perfected.
See my review of Hutch Sector 28.
There are several REALLY good tubeless multiuse/crossish tires now to choose from now and by next year I bet there will be over a dozen. Specialized, Kenda, and Hutchinson are really pushing things forward with this and once the mythical Schwalbe 28 drops things will probably get even better. Plus S makes a tubeless 24mm tire now that is also the tits.[/quote]
oh I agree 100%
same reason I’m thinking discs, would i ride tubeless/disc TODAY?
probably not
18months from now, considering ive been told from a few places disc will be in the protour by then?
probably
plus its just a stress for hte first year or so, if I love the disc things I’ll jsut get a tubular wheel for it
Bro… tubeless wheels with 4 current tire choices and you are set .
Specilized Roubaix Tubeless 24mm. Fast, skinny, plush.
Hutchinson Sector 28mm Still pretty fast, durable, closer to 30mm on a proper wide rim.
Kenda Small Block 8 SCT Tight tread pattern rolls surprisingly fast on pavement, can take higher pressures, grippy enough.
Specilized Trigger 2bliss Enough volume and grip for knocking around on trails some, not too sluggish on pavement
Tubulars are on the way out bros. And fuck that ban comment. We all know you can change a tubi on the road like the knucklehead who flatted one on our Saturday morning cross ride but he still made most of the ride behind him miss the turn off the trail and totally ruin the ride with his old school tire change shenanigans. Racing cross fine… sniff glue. I would. But everything else… it’s circling the drain atmo. 2 more years and the guy rocking tubulars for fun will look as absurd as the guy with the 2nd top tube.
Throwing the gauntlet down now… when the beginning of 2016 comes anyone rocking tubulars without a race number pinned on is officially a retrogrouch and may as well trade his clipless shoes in for crocs and start shifting with a stick.
Don’t break out all your maxims in one shelf clearing rant.
I’m curious about the braze on Paul mediums and was going to suggest that too.
Not so sure about 135 TA ??? Build the bike you can ride today and have retrofitted later cause steel.
[quote=bradencbc]Bro… tubeless wheels with 4 current tire choices and you are set .
Specilized Roubaix Tubeless 24mm. Fast, skinny, plush.
Hutchinson Sector 28mm Still pretty fast, durable, closer to 30mm on a proper wide rim.
Kenda Small Block 8 SCT Tight tread pattern rolls surprisingly fast on pavement, can take higher pressures, grippy enough.
Specilized Trigger 2bliss Enough volume and grip for knocking around on trails some, not too sluggish on pavement
Tubulars are on the way out bros. And fuck that ban comment. We all know you can change a tubi on the road like the knucklehead who flatted one on our Saturday morning cross ride but he still made most of the ride behind him miss the turn off the trail and totally ruin the ride with his old school tire change shenanigans. Racing cross fine… sniff glue. I would. But everything else… it’s circling the drain atmo. 2 more years and the guy rocking tubulars for fun will look as absurd as the guy with the 2nd top tube.
Throwing the gauntlet down now… when the beginning of 2016 comes anyone rocking tubulars without a race number pinned on is officially a retrogrouch and may as well trade his clipless shoes in for crocs and start shifting with a stick.[/quote]
you have me excited to try it
I know it wont get that last 10%
but if I can get as close a ride a 25c pave tub im golden
[quote=rando]Don’t break out all your maxims in one shelf clearing rant.
I’m curious about the braze on Paul mediums and was going to suggest that too.
Not so sure about 135 TA ??? Build the bike you can ride today and have retrofitted later cause steel.[/quote]
i remember dk saying he didnt like htem
It’s not retrogrouch until Rivendell starts selling tubulars.
It’s not retrogrouch until Rivendell starts selling tubulars.[/quote]
buying tubulars from a shitty website in france, or blindly putting them in the mail with a physical check are about as retrogrouch as one can get, and those are both key tenants to the tubular religion
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we are also of similar height so I could probably ride his bikes if I really wanted
also fun fact
DK rides a mtb with rim brakes, he built it out of ti at serotta and never bothered to get anything newer.
i think the logic is that the added bracing for a disc fork reduces teh actual outward movement a good radiused steel fork will give. On my old steel f/f you could actually see the front wheel moving under hard efforts on rough roads.[/quote]
the bracing makes little difference to how much it moves fore/aft — the fork tips on my fred sled still move quite a bit on rough roads
unless you use superlight blades that are small diameter at the bottom, the curve doesn’t do jack shit — all the forces are concentrated around the crown
seems kind of weird for you to not be using a tapered Enve disc fork or something
but I guess that’s not how Kirk rolls even in double oversize steel
I forgot he’s a planing believer: http://www.kirkframeworks.com/Flex.htm
he’s got a good explanation of it
i think the logic is that the added bracing for a disc fork reduces teh actual outward movement a good radiused steel fork will give. On my old steel f/f you could actually see the front wheel moving under hard efforts on rough roads.[/quote]
the bracing makes little difference to how much it moves fore/aft — the fork tips on my fred sled still move quite a bit on rough roads
unless you use superlight blades that are small diameter at the bottom, the curve doesn’t do jack shit — all the forces are concentrated around the crown
seems kind of weird for you to not be using a tapered Enve disc fork or something
but I guess that’s not how Kirk rolls even in double oversize steel[/quote]
why would I want a carbon fork on it?
I don’t even think he’d do a 44mm headtube if I asked, which is the only way I;d do another carbon fork
[quote=bradencbc]Bro… tubeless wheels with 4 current tire choices and you are set .
Specilized Roubaix Tubeless 24mm. Fast, skinny, plush.
Hutchinson Sector 28mm Still pretty fast, durable, closer to 30mm on a proper wide rim.
Kenda Small Block 8 SCT Tight tread pattern rolls surprisingly fast on pavement, can take higher pressures, grippy enough.
Specilized Trigger 2bliss Enough volume and grip for knocking around on trails some, not too sluggish on pavement
Tubulars are on the way out bros. And fuck that ban comment. We all know you can change a tubi on the road like the knucklehead who flatted one on our Saturday morning cross ride but he still made most of the ride behind him miss the turn off the trail and totally ruin the ride with his old school tire change shenanigans. Racing cross fine… sniff glue. I would. But everything else… it’s circling the drain atmo. 2 more years and the guy rocking tubulars for fun will look as absurd as the guy with the 2nd top tube.
Throwing the gauntlet down now… when the beginning of 2016 comes anyone rocking tubulars without a race number pinned on is officially a retrogrouch and may as well trade his clipless shoes in for crocs and start shifting with a stick.[/quote]
Who the f rides a tubular cross tire when not racing? That shit has to be glued down in quite a serious manner. Changing a road tubular can be faster and is more idiotproof than changing a clincher.
by cx bike has tubulars on it lol!
[quote=bradencbc]Bro… tubeless wheels with 4 current tire choices and you are set .
Specilized Roubaix Tubeless 24mm. Fast, skinny, plush.
Hutchinson Sector 28mm Still pretty fast, durable, closer to 30mm on a proper wide rim.
Kenda Small Block 8 SCT Tight tread pattern rolls surprisingly fast on pavement, can take higher pressures, grippy enough.
Specilized Trigger 2bliss Enough volume and grip for knocking around on trails some, not too sluggish on pavement
Tubulars are on the way out bros. And fuck that ban comment. We all know you can change a tubi on the road like the knucklehead who flatted one on our Saturday morning cross ride but he still made most of the ride behind him miss the turn off the trail and totally ruin the ride with his old school tire change shenanigans. Racing cross fine… sniff glue. I would. But everything else… it’s circling the drain atmo. 2 more years and the guy rocking tubulars for fun will look as absurd as the guy with the 2nd top tube.
Throwing the gauntlet down now… when the beginning of 2016 comes anyone rocking tubulars without a race number pinned on is officially a retrogrouch and may as well trade his clipless shoes in for crocs and start shifting with a stick.[/quote]
Made this point a few pages back in the DQ thread, and was roundly dismissed for my anti-tubular beliefs. Between the two of us, I’m sure we have glued hundreds or thousands of tubulars. I’ve done thirty or forty in A DAY sometimes. I know a fuckload about tubulars, and I know that they suck and are antiquated, and I can’t wait for quality tubeless to steamroll them into oblivion, so I’ll never have to glue a tubular again.
I already sold my tubular Ksyiums and handbuilt Mavics before the bottom totally falls out on the tubular market. Which reminds me, there are going to be some killer deals on tubular wheelsets over the next few years.