i really liked that fckn motta i had.
it was 56 st ctc with 56.5-57cm tt.
front center was around 575mm and chainstays were around 420mm.
bb was pretty low.
according to the brochures it was 74*// with 38mm rake.
rough measure on the fork confirmed that it was just under 40mm rake.
so basically, the best riding bike is
the most expensive bike one currently owns
lulz
I don’t own any expensive bikes 
My klein was $500 complete. I guess thats why the grouppo is starting to fall off. It was also nice of them to use press-fit bearings, so I can’t put anything new on it. Fuck you, Klein.
[quote=white folks]so basically, the best riding bike is
the most expensive bike one currently owns
lulz[/quote]
My specialized tarmac was more spensive than the caad9, tarmac did not planes
i just think its funny how everyone has used this thread as a TC: stealth braggin pt deux
but yeah have yet to hear a bad word about the 09 caad9
My pegoretti was not as nice as my second serotta, it must have been the compact geometries. I think my Zullo is much better than anything else I ever owned too.
But planing is much more about the rider, the rider’s position on the bike, and matching the rider’s weight/strength to the tubing.
ATMO a bike’s geo can’t handle like a dream. It can be bad for your purpose, or just plain terrible in general, but there’s no magic geo.
The spread of non-shitty geos can handle quite differently, but you get used to them pretty quick — it’s hard to notice most of the usual handling changes unless you get together with your bros and ride each other’s bikes back to back.
Even stuff I love like low trail ain’t a magic bullet, it’s massively more difficult to ride no-hands and a lot easier to shimmy.
^^ get a load of captain serious here
I put on my lab coat and serious hat.
CAD3 in 56cm and an Alpha Q fork with the proper rake. Frame was $150, fork was a couple hundy. It’s the stiffest motherfucking bike that I know of. You’ve heard of vertically compliant? This one ain’t. It has zero vertical flex, no matter how I bounce my fat ass on it and it has nearly zero lateral flex which says a hell of a lot for an aluminum bike with a 1" head tube. Probably is overkill for anyone that weighs less than 200 pounds, isn’t Cipo, or doesn’t descend like a fucking maniac.
That’s right folks, I guarantee that I’m faster on descents than everyone in this thread and I’ve thrown this bike into hairpins at 30mph sliding both tires with a degree of confidence that I could probably pull something out of my ass and survive.
Descending is the better part of valour.
[quote=white folks]so basically, the best riding bike is
the most expensive bike one currently owns
lulz[/quote]
No way mang, a $3000 carbon bike is going to be outdone by a bike forums group buy iro with some formula/open pros.
what do you want, a fuckin book report of every frame everyone’s ever ridden?
[quote=halbritt]That’s right folks, I guarantee that I’m faster on descents than everyone in this thread and I’ve thrown this bike into hairpins at 30mph sliding both tires with a degree of confidence that I could probably pull something out of my ass and survive.[/quote]still bummed I forgot my helmet on our ride. I feel like I could have given you a run for your money.
teh gauntlet, it is thrown.
EDIT: My 59cm (or 22.5") ‘79 Trek 930 is pretty kickass. Pretty damn aggressive position and gives you all of it without rockin’ things too hard. Makes climbing fun.
[quote=octopus magic]
what do you want, a fuckin book report of every frame everyone’s ever ridden?[/quote]
I think that would have been the ideal solution
assuming everyone is adept to all the flavors saying this does this because of this and I liked it because I am this would be ideal but truthfully it isn’t like that in the real world.
If we want a frame to handle nicely we will tell ourselves it does and that is that.
Oh how did I forget about my crosscheck.
Goddamn I love that bike.
So stable and forgiving of my poor handling.
Actually, no. I don’t really like the way my Merckx MXL handles or my Titus Racer X 29er and I paid well over $1k for each frame. It very well could be due to where my weight is distributed on the bike or something else but neither has really spoken to me the way my '86 Paramount or Pegoretti have (I actually think the Titus is because I have a Crank Brothers Cobalt headset on it which is either a bit too tight or so loose it rocks around like a motherfucker, a King would fix it but I ride the bike so infrequently I never bothered). Hell I absolutely loved the way my v1 Scrambler handled and that thing was $150 shipped.
[quote=Rusty Piton]Oh how did I forget about my crosscheck.
Goddamn I love that bike.
So stable and forgiving of my poor handling.[/quote]
I hated the way my Crosscheck handled.
I liked but didn’t love the way my Blue CXC handled. Ultimately the bottom bracket was too high.
I hate the way my Gunnar Crosshairs handles with 700x34 cross tires but love the way it handles with 700x28 Challenge PRs and a 5-8lb load in my rando bag.
Oh the worst handling bike I ever owned, by far, was my Colnago Sprint. Fucking thing sucked.