but you need something blocking the holes tubeless or not and tubeless tape is the lightest option.
the TLR tires often are actually heavier than non TL counterparts, then you add the sealant. but it’s still so much better for most use cases
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I’m enjoying the souplesse, just considering that there’s a critical responsibility of a tubeless tire which is “must retain air” that the manufacturer has shifted onto the consumer. auto tyres for example don’t need a can of sealant dumped in and shaken around, because the casings are inherently airtight. would it be that hard for a butyl or latex layer to be applied at the factory?
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That adds a lot of weight and will take away from ride quality. Then there’s the whole puncturing thing that would not seal w/o sealant.
We really do not care how car tires drive, outside of a few circumstances; only that they work and get us where we’re going.
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Early UST tires did this (and Kenda tried it again somewhat recently).
It wasn’t great. I had UST tires in early 00s from Hutchinson and Panaracer. They were heavy and absolutely relied on a UST rim to work.
Then, as Rabbi mentioned, there is the issue of punctures. Ended up putting sealant in them anyway.
agreed that the system still needs sealant. I’m not talking about a thick layer though, just a treatment to the inside of the casing. basically factory applied sealant so when you mount the tire the casing is already airtight. since this is what the end user ultimately needs to do anyway, it shouldn’t be significant weight or ride impact vs user applied sealant, it would decrease the amount of initial milk needed
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This is what Kenda bascially tried. They put a thin layer of butyl inside the casing of some early SCT cross tires. They rode like crap.
I bet the treatment idea would end up being pretty high time/material cost. After the tire comes out of the mold there’s now two more steps (apply, dry), plus even completely dry tubeless tires that have had sealant in them will usually adhere to themselves. I bet someone looked into it and said “nah”.
I’d say tire companies should really just do a better job of explaining how to set stuff up right the first time, but then they would all want to push some sort of proprietary sealant. That market has about 10 too many players as is.
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I had some of those 23mm Hutchison tires. w00f. I sent them to Fred.
Hutchinson Atoms, they measured under 22mm on i19 rims
they were the lightest least turdly option for a long time but still absurdly durable, I squared off a bunch of them and never got a single flat even when I destroyed a rear rim
You have super powers. I saw plenty of trashed v1 Hutchison tubeless tires.
I remember running them without sealant because I am an idiot, then struggling to get them off my rim on the side of the road on a cold day in December. Only time I’ve ever had to call someone for a ride.
Homercar tread design?
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shouldn’t the raised parallel ribs be in the middle? followed by the file tread, then the check pattern
Needs some vestigial knobs on the sidewall.
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How garbage is this tire?
Weight: 890
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These are still available and are about 1.8"
They should have added another 110 g and called it the Kilo.
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I now know 2 people (non-nerdbikers) who swear by those tires.
It boggles my mind.
Just resist the temptation.
@Rusty_Piton i’m going to order a couple swift tires this evening, lemme know if you want me to throw some on an order for you
I dunno, that swift tire is a panaracer product…
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