Souplesse Casings and Bike Soup - The Tire Thread

BJ0Yb8q

6 Likes

image

3 Likes

The amount of nonsense in that article is stunning

ā€œThe frontal area of a 44 mm tire isn’t much larger than a 28 mm tire. (If a few millimeters made a huge difference, modern carbon bikes with wide down tubes would be slow.)ā€

5 Likes

Jan retconning the size of gravel tires is the most irritating shit. Nobody at any of those races he mentions was on 32s. The last issue I’ll ever read of BQ he had some garbage about ā€œgravel grindersā€ debating 23s or 25s BITD :roll_eyes:

1 Like

12 Likes

Nothing on your bike matters…

UNLESS IT DOES

3 Likes

Back in like 2015-2016 me and a buddy decided that 650bs were too slow for randonneuring - after we both had built bikes around the wheels - with the anecdotal evidence that none of the fast guys (except Jan and maybe 1-2 apostles) were on those tires.

I think he could have done 50 hours (or less) in 2 of the last 3 PBPs if he’d been on skinnier tires.

2 Likes

here is the one true test
get a tricycle. lock the handlebars so the thing can only go perfectly straight
on the left rear, put a skinny tire
on the right rear, put a fat tire
pedal it on perfectly flat ground
if you spin to the right, the skinny tire is faster
if you spin to the left, the fat tire is faster
science

14 Likes

need to control for OD

wait, are you telling me a proper experiment controls for all variables? JAN YOU HAVE LED ME ASTRAY

8 Likes

What always shocks me is that Jan likes shitting all over the steel drum testing, even though it more or less agrees with him:

(the forum throws a warning for this link because Heath posted it in November lol)

For basically the same tire at different widths, the wide tire has less resistance than the narrower tires at the same pressure. At realistic pressures there isn’t much difference in rolling resistance (for the pressures I’d run, the 23s would have slightly less resistance, but I’m not going to ride 23s). This is what he claims!!! The first rule of sciencing is to not shit on results that agree with yours!!!

2 Likes

BRR suffers from severe chart abuse, in a lot of his comp tests.

It’s not a big difference when the differences are visually minimized, 10% seems pretty big.

2 Likes

When Jan makes the chart:

3 Likes

How wide were the offending tires? 650Ɨ25b (Schwalbe Ones) are pretty speedy little fuckers.

1 Like

42-48

Oh yeah, those are all slugs.

ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ I’m not really sure what the logic was behind the 650b world’s aggressive lunge to low pressure fatbike lyfe, but I’m pretty sure performance wasn’t part of it.

Short chainstays and underbiking. That’s it. That’s the reason.

2 Likes

i think i secretly prefer 42 to 48. but the reen 48s are p nice

If I’m gonna put the little wheels on the road bike I want 48 or nothing. 42 feels closer to 32/36 without the aero and rolling resistance advantages.

3 Likes