i have some old gerber cool tool stuff you might appreciate
it’s yours if you want
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A fast guy in BC Randos who i stan 4 life uses a bum bag over absurd distances. For a 400 i will roll up with Acorn lunchbox packed with kilos of stuff and he’s got maybe a couple ensure in the fannypack, totally bag free carbon road bike and prepared to wear the same clothes all day.
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Nigel?
None other.
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Good dude for sure
I think it was the 2011 or 2015 PBP documentary that featured a lot of riders from the US and Japan fully kitted out in wool with steel framed fully fendered bikes and leather trimmed rando boxes, and then a whole bunch of French and German riders rolling up on Trek 5300s in sleeveless spandex jerseys with backpacks.
Like maybe everyone involved needs to take notes from each other…
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I mean the focus on the vintage look is silly but otherwise the Heine way is perfect for long distances and I’m willing to bet more people on those vintagy things were happier at the end of their ride than the ones on the Trek 5300s. Setting aside the pack at the very front of course
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I have to say, box life is very hard to give up. I tried framebag and it’s been quite a bit l more cognitive overhead so far dealing with he oddly shaped and cramped spaces instead of a big simple cube that is easy to store and retrieve stuff.
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Just to be clear “pack at the front” referred to the fast riders who finish first, not the boxy bag, which is quite smart I think
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I love front box life but
I started asking about aero rando in the rando thread
I don’t know I guess
start with a sleeveless jersey, find smaller gains afterwards
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I think with aerobars out of the way everything else is the hard 20 percent of aero gainz. I.e., if you still have your arms out in the wind, that’s way worse than a bag that is near completely eclipsed by your front rectangle.
I’m waffling between a carbon fork geometry and steel fork rack geometry
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I feel like there could be a good aero argument for frontbox, but the argument isn’t helped by the typical example being a bluff cube of fabric. Something in a more streamlined shape could act like a mini-fairing.
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yeah even something like a tented shape on the front that’s a stuff sack for your jacket could smooth the air around the box. still a small impact compared to your body but possibly worthwhile
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snootbike
PBP riders didn’t change from fop-chariots to road racing machines because they were tricked by marketing. They did it because the roads got better, the tires got better, they didn’t need the luggage capacity - and they were chasing speed. Even the French ancienne he interviewed, that showed up to support him, chided Heine from time to time about his bike and tire choice. It’s one way to do it but I don’t think it’s the perfect way.
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but worse in a paceline of any kind even when tuned perfectly
and it’s tough to get perfect, you have to nail the frame alignment and rider fit because the bike’s geometry does not default to going in a straight line no matter what
if you’re gonna grind it out solo, short aerobars are legal now
the fops tend to be neurotic, but the groups of hundreds of italians wearing the free string backpack do not give a shit
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