I’m with Doug.
The way I see it, Strava could just give you a time and leave it up to you to post it on some other non-affiliated site or forum to compare with others. Posting their own leaderboard is asking for trouble. Too many folks want to blame someone else when they (or their family/friends) fuck up.
^ Gotta have bigger cahones if you want to start a business and release a product. That kind of thinking leads to nothing being made atmo.
strava is great, killing yourself for a KOM is bullshit.
Bike jocks gonna jock.
At first I was like “oh Doug is on some bullshit” but actually I agree with him after reading his points
Meh, its an automated system really w/ user generated content. Users will make what they want out of it.
Willing to bet most Strava users don’t even touch the KOM feature.
Regardless of any argument I make, I personally blame the guy riding (or maybe spacers). What I don’t get though is how Straza is going to justify KOM in court. If asked point blank “are you aware that to achieve some of these times, people would have to break the speed limit?” they would be forced to answer yes or play extremely stupid. At that point, how do you justify to the jury that you are giving people accolades and titles for riding illegally? Again, if Garmin did something like this with cars, they would be strung up in seconds. I know people will be idiots sans help but that doesn’t mean you can publicly assist then and not suffer legal ramifications. Lets not forget that in Home Depot the hammers have warning stickers insisting you do not use them to beat in your own head. While there should be any harm in something like the KOM title, is there a valid reason to even have them? Generally speaking, it is wise to keep your illegal activities to yourself rather than publish them online.
[quote=MoonCat]Meh, its an automated system really w/ user generated content. Users will make what they want out of it.
Willing to bet most Strava users don’t even touch the KOM feature.[/quote]
Strava does actually make segments, but only for koMs, not komups, kodescents, kocommutes, etc.
You’re just as responsible for your actions on a closed course as you are on the road.
[quote=MoonCat]Meh, its an automated system really w/ user generated content. Users will make what they want out of it.
Willing to bet most Strava users don’t even touch the KOM feature.[/quote]
It’s not about most users it’s about this guy. Is the guy himself responsible? Fuck yeah, he’s an adult. But there’s still the inconvenient fact that the guy was competing in a competition to see who could ride the fastest on an open road among traffic when he died. Personal responsibility aside, you’d have trouble arguing that strava didn’t encourage that behavior
Thats a dangerous argument to take because it falls straight into the “bubble wrap the world” bullshit which is far worse IMO.
No it doesn’t. It falls into the “don’t encourage people to do idiotic shit and then pretend you didn’t” argument. When an F1 racer crashes and dies, you don’t hear the organizers say “well we gave these guys a track and let them brig race cars on it, then ranked them and give out prizes, but we didn’t expect them to drive so fast it would be dangerous”, that’s fucking stupid. You don’t bubble wrap the world but there’s a point where you have to actually be honest about what you’re doing.
edit: don’t really feel like arguing about it. I think its silly and counter productive to cycling to hold a tool that encourages riding first and foremost (the competition stuff is only a small feature and those who use it would probably agree. They could ditch the kom feature and it would still be one of the better route mapping and sharing tools around).
edit: ^wrong. What do you think those segments you use to find rides are?
Next I’m suing Casio for putting a stopwatch function on my watch. Why you always motivating me beyond my comfort zone, Casio?
After that, Al Gore for making the internet, allowing me to share what I recorded.
Then I’m suing the bastards that made up time in the first place. Just ride bikes and have fun, bros. We’ll get there when we get there.
America-me, most of us get how Strava works just fine. Again, it doesn’t matter for shit what their core use is or not, it’s that they have a feature which encourages people to ride as fast as possible in traffic, that this guy used in traffic, and then he had an interaction with a car as a result of trying to ride as fast as he can in traffic, and now he’s dead.
It doesn’t matter for shit that it’s a user generated route when Strava themselves set up the feature with the express and stated purpose of “ride as fast as you can on public roads that have cars on them” whether they chose the route or not. Just about every single road is open to cars, ergo their KOM system is almost impossible to use anywhere in a populated area as a road cyclist in a manner other than “ride on roads with cars as fast as you possibly can”.
Cool, we have it settled. Silly arguments.
I think this is delaying people from appreciating what I posted in the Other Shit thread.
[quote=Smitty]America-me, most of us get how Strava works just fine. Again, it doesn’t matter for shit what their core use is or not, it’s that they have a feature which encourages people to ride as fast as possible in traffic, that this guy used in traffic, and then he had an interaction with a car as a result of trying to ride as fast as he can in traffic, and now he’s dead.
It doesn’t matter for shit that it’s a user generated route when Strava themselves set up the feature with the express and stated purpose of “ride as fast as you can on public roads that have cars on them” whether they chose the route or not. Just about every single road is open to cars, ergo their KOM system is almost impossible to use anywhere in a populated area as a road cyclist in a manner other than “ride on roads with cars as fast as you possibly can”.[/quote]
People use it for MTB and for running. Its not exclusively for the road. Your second paragraph is invalid atmo.
Any fucking cyclometer can encourage aggressive riding and descending in the exact same way as Strava.
[quote=MoonCat][quote=Smitty]America-me, most of us get how Strava works just fine. Again, it doesn’t matter for shit what their core use is or not, it’s that they have a feature which encourages people to ride as fast as possible in traffic, that this guy used in traffic, and then he had an interaction with a car as a result of trying to ride as fast as he can in traffic, and now he’s dead.
It doesn’t matter for shit that it’s a user generated route when Strava themselves set up the feature with the express and stated purpose of “ride as fast as you can on public roads that have cars on them” whether they chose the route or not. Just about every single road is open to cars, ergo their KOM system is almost impossible to use anywhere in a populated area as a road cyclist in a manner other than “ride on roads with cars as fast as you possibly can”.[/quote]
People use it for MTB and for running…[/quote]
Bro don’t make me put bold tags around the words “as a road cyclist” up in here.
Exactly. Whats bullshit is saying this is somehow unique to strava.
Smitty, that quote. Where’d you get it? That’s not how quotes work.
If you asses get my segments taken away I’ma be so pissed. At least leave me the private ones.