Ya I saw that, but that doesn’t mean as a road cyclist you have to use it. Should there be a checkbox that says “Are you on a public road?”“Are you on a bike?” “What is the speed limit of the road?” “Did you make sure to check your brakes?” “Did you take your flintstones vitamins this morning?”
I can’t go to the airport with a bottle of water because of some assholes. An app I like removes a feature because…
Exactly. Whats bullshit is saying this is somehow unique to strava.[/quote]
It’s definitely not unique to Strava. It’s just that there’s finally a corporation behind it with no waiver, unlike the 1000’s of weekend warrior rides that go on all over the country.
Hammerheads gonna be hammerheads.
plaintiff does not understand how negligence action works
do not achieve zyzzthetics, cycle directly to sauna
no, the strava shit is encouraging dangerous riding the same way people are addicted to facebook “likes” and other bullshit social media. its different bro.
while strava may or may not be bullshit and may encourage people to act like ass hats, wouldn’t suing them for this be like suing the Guinness book of records because your son died trying to beat the “most marbles shoved in a rectum” record or something similarly ridiculous?
this should have been prevented with a better disclaimer, sounds like some folks just trying to work the system atmo
^ lolled
i like that reference, but i think you guys are really missing the pull of the social media aspect of it
imagine keeping up with the joneses, except mr. jones makes 375w for 20 min
I think people see the pull. We just like the social media aspect pull.
It’s not about Strava, it’s personal accountability.
The same accusation could be made for people following a stronger rider on a group ride. If they follow the better, more experienced rider, they will crash because they simply LACK the skills to do that. It’s realizing where you are PERSONALLY, regardless of what people are calling an online “race”.
both strava and this lawsuit blow goats
it’s dumb to chase arbitrary stats through traffic, bar none. At some point you have to look at what you’re doing and realize that bombing this particular hill is more a matter of recklessness than skill.
it’s also dumb to set up an automated leaderboard for whatever routes people suggest with no vetting. nonetheless programmers are dumb and do that shit too. who cares if it’s determined by an algorithm? that you automatically crowdsource the creation of routes and leaderboards doesn’t mean you don’t have anything to do with them, it means you signed away that responsibility to a dumb piece of machinery that makes actions in your place.
Personal responsibility and all that, but personal responsibility kind of means you take account for the rides you take and the shit your computers do whether or not the legal system is gonna punish or reward you for it.
Would be interesting to pick apart the factors contributing to the shit happening but it ain’t gonna work when viewed through a find-the-blame lens.
I’m going to come out with a new strava site. One for the shitty deer that eat all the flowers in my front yard. They get title of “King Buck” every time one of them eats a jar of cyanide. Then my problem will be solved next month after they all start trying to one-up each other.
-You give somebody a piece of dumb machinery, you expect them to use it responsibly.
-You give somebody a gun and they kill endangered species, you don’t sue the gun manufacturer.
-Then again, there might be repercussions if the gun manufacturers set up a website to log all your illegal kills.
-Then again, if the gun manufacturer set up the site and said, “Yo, don’t kill and log your endangered species, bro” maybe they couldn’t be held responsible.
-Then again, if the site was mostly about ticking off the every day animals you’ve killed, but also had tick marks for those endangered species, but still told you not to kill them, they might get in trouble, because it’s tacit encouragement to kill those animals and complete the list.
I’m generally on MoonCat’s side; I think dude should be held personally responsible for not checking himself before wrecking himself. However, I think Dougie’s got some good points and the family could benefit. Think McDonald’s coffee and expect a “Warning: This Product is Hot,” on the load screen of their app.
You don’t know about the details of that case then. Food should not be served that causes third-degree burns and fuses a woman’s labia shut if the coffee spills in her lap (and yes the woman was 90 year old, imagine getting your fucking genitals scrubbed with wire brushes to debride as part of treatment for the burns, and imagine your grandma going through that). The coffee was tens of degrees hotter than anything needed for safety or hygiene, and McD’s had dozens of those cases that it just threw money out of court to settle. The jury slammed the fuck outa McD’s the same way everyone did Ford for having exploding gas tanks and considering it cheaper to write death checks than fix the fucker.
The day after that damage was awarded - which BTW was a big fucking number but was ONLY the profit McD’s made in that state on one day’s worth of coffee - McD’s lowered the temp of their coffee state-wide to a temp that was hot, but wouldn’t fuse your skin together if you spilled it on you.
The McD’s case is one of the best goddamn lawsuits ever in the history of the US, because unlike every Bhopal or Exxon Valdez or BP the suit actually fixed the problem and changed behavior of a sociopathic behemoth of a company.
IMO Strava is like single-digit % liable here, in the same way Guinness Book of Records makes people shove bees up their ass or juggle the most number of angry badgers. Numbers in and of themselves are not bad, and I dare say that the people who have died trying to top any KOM are the same dumb-shits who crash out and break things until they wise up or die anyway, and the only nudge that Strava gives is letting them know how fucking slow they really are.
This is the future, folks. Everybody knows everything everywhere alll the time. Ubiquitous information. The only way around this is legal disclaimers, because with GPS and networking and uploading and vanity and cheap as fuck computing there’s no way that information will ever be NOT seen again. The genie is out of the bottle. Telling Strava to stop publishing the info is like asking Oppenheimer to un-explode the first atom bomb.
While I think this is stupid and baseless, what I don’t understand is why Strava still collects stats for descents that are clearly labeled as such. After stupid-idiot-head died, they made some reference to the fact that they’d stop tracking times for segments that were clearly marked as descents and I thought that was a really good idea. In a road race, descents might matter, but hey the road is closed. In regular riding, descents mean fuck all in regard to actual cycling fitness, which is what I think Strava is trying to measure.
So they have descents, still? That’s great. Does it still count as a descent if I put on full motorcycle leathers and a full face helmet and use a gravity bike like this?
no, the strava shit is encouraging dangerous riding the same way people are addicted to facebook “likes” and other bullshit social media. its different bro.[/quote]
Yeah.
Hell, when I can be bothered to put a computer on a bike it’s specifically to check myself and stick to my plan no matter who blows by me.
Gonna go ahead and quote this from the PRO cycling thread.
[quote=teach me how to douggie]sitting on my bike at the weekly weds night hilltop crit tonight.
high off my piss poor midpack 4’s finish, drinkin a coldbrew in the waning light
surrounded by families eatin tater salad and fixie bros and random curious tourists doin some spectatin’
i realized that is what cycling really is
the ultimate test of the “run what you brung” ethos
it aint about lance’s doping skills
or the rockstars and also-rans of the protour
its about racing, fraternity, celebrating life[/quote]
It’s not all about “achieving” shit. If you get it riding a bike is not just a means to an end.
Cycling can very well be achieving something for some folks. It will be different things for different people and it’s silly to think it will be the same for everyone.
All forms of exercise for me right now have been for one purpose: getting in shape for a potential career change. It’s not about having a good time, it’s not about hanging out, it’s about achieving a higher level of performance today than yesterday. Whether an app tells me I completed an achievement or a scrap of paper I write weight lifting notes on does, I’m still shooting for those personal achievements.
That doesn’t mean I don’t “get cycling”. That’s just where it fits into my lifestyle at the moment.
Right, but with Strava you can grow your own low hanging fruit.
So what? A steady stream of virtual achievements helps some folks (works for my brain) stick to their goals. Every stupid badge I unlock in fitocracy gets me in the gym another day.
For the most part we all respond well to quick fast simple rewards no matter how trite.
I get what you’re saying, and I enjoy looking at my post-ride stats like a big ol’ dork but as has been mentioned before it’s the jackassery on the public roads/trails/whatever that’s worrying.
Realistically you’re not gonna hurt anyone but yourself overdoing it at the gym.