seems like there is more than one pole
also mass produced factory bike that doesn’t need spendy tubes seems high
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They’re based out of Switzerland, and the whole bike is produced in France. It’s not ‘see no evil’ 18-hour pseudo slave labor in China, it’s all done with the ‘externalities’ accounted for.
Not saying it makes it a great bike or anything, but there’s a good rationale behind the price being high. If the rest of the world wasn’t using China as a way to ‘hide the bodies’ from the consequences of cutting corners that people wouldn’t tolerate at home, all things would realistically cost more like this.
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and none of the mass produced bits the french guys are putting together are coming from china, snowman?
What mass produced bits?
Tubing?
proprietary looking dropouts, belt drive steering linkages, pinion case with adapter rack, fork with a cog on it …
Maybe on the Omnium, yeah, because the load is way up high.
I dunno, ask them, because the site says where it’s made and what’s made there. If you want to dig more deeply the ‘made in Europe’ part for details, feel free, but you see the companies that do the welding / framebuilding in Europe (like them, Sour) have correspondingly higher prices.
I mean, I get that companies lie through their teeth to ‘greenwash’, but the EU is a fuck-ton better about these things - because they have laws and enforce them.
Like, McDonald’s being better overseas because of chemical bans, stuff like that.
Sadly there’s a rightward-swing happening here to and it’s getting eroded, but there’s a lot more to dismantle so it’s ‘ahead’ for now.
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Are there other mass produced cargo bikes that weigh <= 40lbs?
I don’t know!
But if I was going to guess, I’d say a Big Dummy, properly built up, might come in at ~40 pounds. And xtras can carry a shitload of weight before they start getting squirrelly (I think my personal best was ~100 pounds; I brought home my first brazing torch + extras @120, but that was an unbalanced load and it made the ride interesting)
(I never beat that 3:1 ratio on any of the bakfietsen I worked with, so I can’t speak to the load ratio there)
It says $2680, but I do recall it saying $3100 yesterday. Are they reading? lol
Anyway, I did not have “encouraging me to go build trail features in the woods” on my cargo bike utility bingo card:
Got about 40 ft of pressure treated 1x4x8 in there.
Really easy to haul stuff right to the closest trailhead (which has no car parking):
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2680 f/f
220 rack
180 because I don’t want one of their stupid colors
$180 for paint is a bargain!
It’s 180+whatever they planned for their standard
Bombytrack Munroe (aluminum-framed cycletruck) is claimed 33lbs in a size medium.
For reference the Soma Tradesman F/F/rack was 12lbs, sub 40 overall for any slightly-nicer cycletrucks should be no problem I’d think?
Can the munroe or tradesman carry more than about 40lbs successfully?
My dummy weighs 67lbs empty, can easily carry 100lbs. I never weighed the bullitt but it’s similar and can most easily carry the most weight of any cargo bike if ridden, without a box they weigh similar to an Omnium.
The omnium mini and mini max is definitely weird if you put too much weight in it because of the shorter wheelbases. The cargo can definitely take 100lbs easy if the weight is far back and low enough.
That said, I love cargo under biking as much as trail and gravel under biking and believe that almost any bike can hold 100lbs of cargo of you’re brave enough.
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I haven’t owned that kind of bike so really don’t know. For this discussion I assume you mean 40lbs in one location, not distributed among several panniers. Both those bikes IIRC have a 40lb limit stated.
From Alex W’s old blog:
edit: @karl_dandleton and any other cycletruck owners to the courtesy phone, please.
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I can’t imagine being afraid to put more than 100lbs on the back of a big dummy.
When Ash and I first got together, she rode around on the back of my bolt-on xtracycle like 3 times a week for a year.
One time I brought 260lbs of scrap brass plumbing fittings to the recycler on that thing.
Bikes are strong!
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i mean i’ve definitely carried my ~140lb partner on an omnium mini max. and actually they once carried me and their dog, which would be like… 230lbs. i think that’s a bit different though, you can kind of countersync the weight with your body.
carrying my small ~110lb friend on my clydesdale, on the other hand, felt pretty terrifying.
The HASE cargo bike is on the same platform as their adaptive tandem.
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