My Panasonic frame is an off the shelf frame so I doubt it was professionally raced which makes it less likely that it was tossed aside because it had been wrecked. The headset and BB felt like they had been ridden 3 times. I had the word of Gabe that the frame had not been wrecked and I trust his word. I have also meticulously gone over every inch of the frame myself and so has Dean of Bike Central (read, track guru of PDX) and there aren’t any signs of a crash anywhere.
What is the name of the shop lacing DAs to arayas for 315?
I agree that crashed and repainted frames aren’t worth the price tag. I was willing to pay the price because I was confident that this frame had not been abused. The price was also significantly less that $1000.
[quote=“ted”]My frame was not in a crash and not restored. It is in great original condition. No deathtraps here. I am pleased with my purchase. This is what worked for me. Find what works for you.
P.S. Show me a built up bike with similar components to mine in the condition of mine for under a grand, as many of you feel there are plenty of them on the market.
[quote=“ted”]My Panasonic frame is an off the shelf frame so I doubt it was professionally raced which makes it less likely that it was tossed aside because it had been wrecked. The headset and BB felt like they had been ridden 3 times. I had the word of Gabe that the frame had not been wrecked and I trust his word. I have also meticulously gone over every inch of the frame myself and so has Dean of Bike Central (read, track guru of PDX) and there aren’t any signs of a crash anywhere.
What is the name of the shop lacing DAs to arayas for 315?
I agree that crashed and repainted frames aren’t worth the price tag. I was willing to pay the price because I was confident that this frame had not been abused. The price was also significantly less that $1000.[/quote]
In your case, I think I would be comfortable purchasing the frame, though I think bob jackson would probably be getting a call from me, and it appears bonechilling hit it right on the head, if I;m dropping a grand on a frame, I want it to fit me.
I dont know the shop but I remember the BF user andre nickatina knew…just looked it up, bike central, DA7600’s to araya reds full NJS for 300 skins. I cant confirm, but he seems to be a knowledgeable dude and theres no reason he would yank my chain.
what some people forget about used frames is they don’t come with a warranty.
so if it breaks you’re fucked.
since its a race frame builders are usually building/selecting tubes to make the lightest stiffest frame they can that can support a certain riders weight. they aren’t building them for teh awsomeee skidzzzz. that adds stress that wasn’t accounted for when building. take a big fat american rider who rides the shit out of their bike (not to mention that most american njs riders are riding bikes way too small for them…which means they probably weigh more than their original japanese rider…skinny hipsters get a pass) and a broken frame is more likely. especially after it’s been raced and possibly wrecked or left out in the elements to develop some rust.
after all that i really don’t see at the prices that used njs frames are bringing how its good deal. then you take into account fit and comfort and its a really bad deal. the way i see it save your money buy a custom frame that actually fits and was built for your weight and body and comes with a warranty. some builders will build frames with stronger seat and chainstays to better withstand backpedaling and skidding…if you tell them thats what you’re gonna use it for. nagasawa builds with different headtube sizes for japanese and americans to account for different size and weight.
yeah, NJS stuff is too much now. someone was correct in saying they were good deals when you could pick up the nice ones for about 500.
if you’re really gonna be into cycling and aren’t just doing it because it’s what’s hot now, then yeah…get a custom frame and fork by somone who will send you a sheet to fill out with all kinds of measurements for your body. you get correct fit, and thats not a foot of seatpost showing. you get new tubes selected for your body weight and a warranty for those tubes. you get geometry for your riding type and your body. you also get to pick your paint and you get to put the first scratch on it.
[quote="(|)"]yeah, NJS stuff is too much now. someone was correct in saying they were good deals when you could pick up the nice ones for about 500.
if you’re really gonna be into cycling and aren’t just doing it because it’s what’s hot now, then yeah…get a custom frame and fork by somone who will send you a sheet to fill out with all kinds of measurements for your body. you get correct fit, and thats not a foot of seatpost showing. you get new tubes selected for your body weight and a warranty for those tubes. you get geometry for your riding type and your body. you also get to pick your paint and you get to put the first scratch on it.[/quote]
$500? No, I still think that’s too much. It was a good deal when they were ~$200, a few years ago.
[quote=“dooktruck”]what some people forget about used frames is they don’t come with a warranty.
so if it breaks you’re fucked.
since its a race frame builders are usually building/selecting tubes to make the lightest stiffest frame they can that can support a certain riders weight. they aren’t building them for teh awsomeee skidzzzz. that adds stress that wasn’t accounted for when building. take a big fat american rider who rides the shit out of their bike (not to mention that most american njs riders are riding bikes way too small for them…which means they probably weigh more than their original japanese rider…skinny hipsters get a pass) and a broken frame is more likely. especially after it’s been raced and possibly wrecked or left out in the elements to develop some rust.
after all that i really don’t see at the prices that used njs frames are bringing how its good deal. then you take into account fit and comfort and its a really bad deal. the way i see it save your money buy a custom frame that actually fits and was built for your weight and body and comes with a warranty. some builders will build frames with stronger seat and chainstays to better withstand backpedaling and skidding…if you tell them thats what you’re gonna use it for. nagasawa builds with different headtube sizes for japanese and americans to account for different size and weight.
but those njs frames do have pretty paint.[/quote]
I’m not sure if you were referring to my bike or my situation with this post, but what you say is true, just not in the case with my frame. My bike isn’t too small for me. It fits me perfectly. I was specifically looking for a frame with a shorter top tube. And I had taken measurements of my body and found a frame that corresponded with those measurements. Those pics I posted were fresh after the build and I hadn’t put the seat down yet. I didn’t want to mark up the seatpost and then have to pull it out.
Also, my frame is from the panasonic order system. There was no rust on it. No dents. Not exposed to the elements. Came with like new Hatta Swan headset and a Sugino 75 Bottom Bracket. Fully chromed fork underneath the paint and chromed dropouts in the rear as well as a chrome chainstay. I am sure that I won’t be applying the amount of force to this frame that it was meant to take from the horse legged Keirin racers. Even with teh skidzzz…
Us people know where to find decent frames for cheap.
When all was said and done I paid like 300 plus shipping for my bareknuckle.
I’ve seen several built NJS bikes for a grand or less with decent parts and good frames, I’ve seen really decent italian and other lugged track frames for less than 700 (john prolly’s bike comes to mind that is for sale at the moment) and there was that blue italian one on here for like 500 for the frameset a couple weeks ago, but I dont remember the maker.
You just have to realize, no matter how you justify it, better deals are to be had for lugged steel frames if you arent concerned with a little stamp that says “NJS”
In the last 4 years or so I have picked up a lugged Italian made Bianchi for $280ish, a GORGEOUS Serotta for $380ish and a near pristine Vivalo for under $300.
It’s pretty easy to find sub $400 deals on quality track frames if you just keep your eyes open for them.
[quote=“ted”][quote=“dooktruck”]what some people forget about used frames is they don’t come with a warranty.
so if it breaks you’re fucked.
since its a race frame builders are usually building/selecting tubes to make the lightest stiffest frame they can that can support a certain riders weight. they aren’t building them for teh awsomeee skidzzzz. that adds stress that wasn’t accounted for when building. take a big fat american rider who rides the shit out of their bike (not to mention that most american njs riders are riding bikes way too small for them…which means they probably weigh more than their original japanese rider…skinny hipsters get a pass) and a broken frame is more likely. especially after it’s been raced and possibly wrecked or left out in the elements to develop some rust.
after all that i really don’t see at the prices that used njs frames are bringing how its good deal. then you take into account fit and comfort and its a really bad deal. the way i see it save your money buy a custom frame that actually fits and was built for your weight and body and comes with a warranty. some builders will build frames with stronger seat and chainstays to better withstand backpedaling and skidding…if you tell them thats what you’re gonna use it for. nagasawa builds with different headtube sizes for japanese and americans to account for different size and weight.
but those njs frames do have pretty paint.[/quote]
I’m not sure if you were referring to my bike or my situation with this post, but what you say is true, just not in the case with my frame. My bike isn’t too small for me. It fits me perfectly. Those pics I posted were fresh after the build and I hadn’t put the seat down yet. I didn’t want to mark up the seatpost and then have to pull it out.
Also, my frame is from the panasonic order system. There was no rust on it. No dents. Not exposed to the elements. Came with like new Hatta Swan headset and a Sugino 75 Bottom Bracket. Fully chromed fork underneath the paint and chromed dropouts in the rear as well as a chrome chainstay. I am sure that I won’t be applying the amount of force to this frame that it was meant to take from the horse legged Keirin racers. Even with teh skidzzz…[/quote]
I dont think anyone is referring to ANY bike in particular except with the observation that you had like a foot of seatpost going on. You seem to have gotten a legit deal, which you are quite adamant to defend. I’m unsure why you feel like you must defend the entire population of people who buy, sell and deal in keirin frames, but alright. It seems if you were confident with your investment you wouldnt be so touchy and so adamant about getting public support. That aside, “horse legged keirin racers” replace their bikes frequently for a reason, because the bikes are built to be as light and as stiff as possible, not to hold up to loads of abuse. It’s a frame built to be ridden in circles on a smooth surface for a very limited lifespan, which I would assume you arent doing with it.
