really? i feel like im responding well to the 2x20s
my climbing is a lot better.
according to strava (who knows how accurate they are), my best 5min power is 618w set on friday. pretty stoked although i know it’s wrong.
[quote=truckdoug]really? i feel like im responding well to the 2x20s
my climbing is a lot better.[/quote]
A relatively unadapted individual will respond well to any training stress. The more adapted an individual becomes, the more specific the intensity and dose of training stress must be. The good news is that you’re making excellent progress on not-very-much volume which indicates that you’re early in the adaptation process, but you’re already making quite a bit of power. The potential there is pretty good. At some point, your gains are going to taper off unless you can accumulate more training stress. SST is a good way to do that.
I’m not suggesting that you need to change your present routine which you seem to have dialed in nicely. I’m suggesting you try an SST ride to see how it feels with a plan towards incorporating lots of SST work in your next training block.
ok tomorrow will be tight
but i bet I can get 90m at 265w if my knee cooperates
so my knee was an issue today, despite eating a bunch of sardines and cheese last night.
a cursory glance at the file says 120m at about 245w 
like the 2x20s, i find pacing to be the hardest part. i’ll try again thursday.
side note: after i got to work, showered and ate, i felt insane for the next 4 hours…
felt like a major adrenaline hangover. hard to describe
holy mother of fuck
http://www.cxmagazine.com/training-cyclocross-power-ryan-trebon-wattage-file
[quote=truckdoug]holy mother of fuck
http://www.cxmagazine.com/training-cyclocross-power-ryan-trebon-wattage-file[/quote]
“His decline rate, or “fatigue resistance,” is also world class, as he only loses six percent of his maximal power over a one-hour race. That’s also a very important stat.”
Sheeyit.
I hate that article. It’s so much bullshit.
“Wow!” “Wow!”… Right. Shut the fuck up.
"Average race wattage was 399 or 424 normalized. His max power was 1431 watts. He expended 1424KJ, had a TSS score of 104 and an average cadence of 80 rpm. Ryan uses a Quarq Cinqo power meter combined with the Garmin Edge 500 CPU.
Based on this one file, I estimate Ryan’s FTP (functional threshold power) to be at or near 415 watts, or 5.2w/kg – "
What an idiotic statement. That would make this file an “NP buster” and there are no documented cases of one. I believe Coggan has a reward for anyone that sends him one. The fact that it was an hour-long race, the TSS was 104, and NP was 424w, then I’d estimate that his FTP is… 424!
So, here’s a man that that won a race among a group of pros. That means he’s genetically gifted but still <6w/kg (true freaks of nature). Since he is the winner of a cyclocross race, he’d also be genetically predisposed to large anaerobic efforts and I’m sure he also trained for those as well.
The guy writing the article is freaking out and if you asked me to predict the power performance of a race-winning pro cyclocross effort, it would be exactly that. Even so, >400W FTP gets me pretty excited.
when you see him ride in real life, its kind of unreal. it doesn’t seem right that something so big can move so fast and smooth.
forgive the shitty comparison, but it’s like sitting courtside to a pro basketball game.
Most of the cross pros are pretty lovable too.
I swoon over Ryan
[quote=truckdoug]when you see him ride in real life, its kind of unreal. it doesn’t seem right that something so big can move so fast and smooth.
forgive the shitty comparison, but it’s like sitting courtside to a pro basketball game.[/quote]
I get that. I’m not suggesting the dude isn’t amazing. I’m just saying that if the dude is winning races, he must be fucking fast, and if he’s fucking fast, his power file is going to reflect that.
I think the mind-blower is that we don’t expect to those stats in CROSS.
The bar seems much lower etc.
sounds like you need to go race a course then have a pro race it after you.
how can the bar be lower in a sport raced at a pro level. to be PRO (ie make your living from it) in anything (car driving, video games, bikes) you need to be a freak and off the charts for your respective discipline. To suggest any less is a huge disservice to those who do the sports.
i expect something high of course, i just didn’t know how high.
that powerfile leave something huge out atmo
which is his power off the bike.
dude can pass riders while running
Right. Watching him over the barriers is like, unreal man.
[quote=catdrew f]sounds like you need to go race a course then have a pro race it after you.
how can the bar be lower in a sport raced at a pro level. to be PRO (ie make your living from it) in anything (car driving, video games, bikes) you need to be a freak and off the charts for your respective discipline. To suggest any less is a huge disservice to those who do the sports.[/quote]
Let me expand: the money and talent/physique in the TDF just seems quite a bit higher than national cross racing.
Those stats we are seeing are pretty comparable to TDF shit.
and what Doug said.
ill stand by what I said, top level us national cx racer is not far off that razors edge that is the tdf in the grand scheme of things.
also ill stand by my point that to be surprised by the performance of ANY pro athlete is silly
Does the Garmin record from a power meter and a foot pod at the same time? Or do trigeeks manually switch the mode between disciplines?
Nevermind that sorting out power from pace would be a bit of a pain, that’s probably the only way you could accurately measure output from a cyclocross race.
[quote=Patch][quote=catdrew f]sounds like you need to go race a course then have a pro race it after you.
how can the bar be lower in a sport raced at a pro level. to be PRO (ie make your living from it) in anything (car driving, video games, bikes) you need to be a freak and off the charts for your respective discipline. To suggest any less is a huge disservice to those who do the sports.[/quote]
different systems are going to be prevalent in a cross racer than a tour winner, namely a cross racer isn’t going to focus so much on their ability to hit a sustained effort or a long pull. cross really is won by your burst strength.
What made me start to do better in my practice laps around my makeshift courses in oak-town was literally taking it easier and saving the bursts for parts where i’d need them. by dialing down my effort just a tiny bit, i saved jumps for passing, barriers, climbs and hard accelerations out of corners instead of simply trying to stay above threshold power for the whole race. I still feel wasted at the end of the race, but I don’t bonk out after 15-20 minutes and end up getting passed so hard at the end.
this is of course only applicable to my lame amateur experiences.
Let me expand: the money and talent/physique in the TDF just seems quite a bit higher than national cross racing.
Those stats we are seeing are pretty comparable to TDF shit.
and what Doug said.[/quote]