Returning the Barbie dream house to its owner is an appropriate task for this cargo bike.
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WHERES THE LINK
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this one?
edit or this one
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Yeah, no matter how I shared it it wouldnāt do the link. Blahblahblah
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you know what? itās silly that Euros are obsessed with cargo bikes for not-cargo-bike activities, but sometimes the results are fantastic
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I dig it but dug the big easy more
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can someone break down where the extra $3k for an ebike comes from? I get that a production model of a bike from a company you can theoretically sue is going to be more expensive than buying parts off AliExpress and cobbling it together yourself, but Iām not quite clear on how what appears to be about $1200 worth of parts (if that) makes a bike three times as expensive as it had been.
I can see that thereās some redesign (the bb area and stays of what very much looks like a Karate Monkey in this case), but the battery is literally bolted on to welded tabs.
Is there some super expensive testing and certification process at work?
edit: I guess it could also be that the customer base for ebikes is sufficiently different from the customer base for regular bikes that there are just different expectations about price.
Niche market
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Canāt answer that question, but itās similar in price to the Benno Boost depending on which motor itās specāed with. And damn, the Boost is a full bong more expensive than it was just five years ago. Seems like I remember them being about 3.5 bong back then.
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This is what Iām trying to puzzle through - the industry clearly feels that 4500-7000 is what an e-cargo bike costs, and the only apparent difference is the motor and battery.
Iād imagine that theyāre pricing in more complex service, but thatās all charged by the job, as far as I can tell.
Batteries are really expensive, as are drive units. Plus new fixtures to accommodate those drive units and more expensive iso testing. All that easily puts the electric version of a bike $2k above the acoustic version.
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Also, you may have noticed prices went up on bikes over the last few years, esp some e-bikes. Like spec boosted one the Levos from 5500 to 7k in about a year and a half. Okay, maybe not that one specifically, but I did have to bump one up $800 randomly one day.
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The frames I buy have remained the same price, and my sorta kinda gray market component selection has enough random price fluctuation to keep me guessing regardless of the macroeconomic situation.
I get that batteries are expensive, and I have no idea what the OEM pricing is for electric motors might be.
testing and certification is one area that I donāt really understand well - I thought that the grift with ebikes was that they get regulated like a bicycle (that is, pretty minimally) but function like a moped; itās essentially a loophole for selling motor vehicles on the cheap.
I donāt really have a dog in this fight, Iām just curious whatās going in to the $3k-ish price difference.
They might also be very estimating liability warranty costs high, and factoring that in. Which I could see, given the uncertainty around batteries and heavy loads on the frame and parts.
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yeah, good point, I was thinking about service costs, but wasnāt thinking about warranty. I wonder if theyāll get more competitively priced as thereās more longitudinal data on performance.
That thing is priced kinda high shartmo but Iām not sure Iām the target market right now
I guess a close comparison is the Tern GSD, and the Surly comes in $600 cheaper with a slightly bigger battery:
https://www.rei.com/product/187356/tern-gsd-s10-folding-electric-bike
(though the Tern does have more features and REI dividend gets you most of that $600 back)
I think Iād get the Skid Loader instead of a Big Easy or GSD if I a) didnāt have a garage and b) was the only person riding it. Iām hoping to get a GSD after the next move for combined mom and dad duties and the Skid Loader doesnāt change the plan even though I am a Surly apologist
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Rol and I just rode around for a couple hours and saw a Haul-a-Day, two Terns, two Urban Arrows, a Yuba, a Radpower and some e cargo thing the name of which I didnāt catch. Itās alllllmost mainstream at this point.
Upon our return, the box looks like this:
Time to bust out the minivac.
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Good effort but I donāt see any yogurt splashed about
Oh yeah, I learned that lesson already. No goop on the bike.
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